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post #1 of 27 (permalink) Old 12-09-2015, 06:21 AM Thread Starter
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Iím new to this forum and to off-road/adventure bikes having ridden sports or sports-tourer bikes mostly. I do a lot of mountain biking though and really enjoy it so as I get older and my knees and wrists object more violently to sports bikes I want to get a more a versatile motorbike that can combine my interests and go on and off road.

The Africa Twin seems perfect Ė reliable, well made and relatively compact.

But I canít get my head round tubed tires. Whenever Iíve been on a trip Ė most rides in fact Ė Iíve just had a plug-kit to hand. On the one occasion I had a puncture it was sorted within minutes.

Fixing a tubed tyre on the other hand sounds like a nightmare Ė especially if you have a mechanically unsympathetic pillion and loads of luggage strapped on. Scratched rims followed by a pickup truck seems to be the ultimate scenario to me!

I should add that Iíll more than likely be 80% road usage so the Africa Twin is maybe on the cusp of suitability.

Anyone got any experience of fixing a tubed tyre at the side of an autobahn/Alpine pass (assuming youíve survived the deflationÖ)?

Many thanks in advance.
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with tools and practice! or you just slime it...

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Carry some Motul Tyre Repair with you on long trips. Should get you to the nearest station to repair.

Alternatively, a set of tyre levers, an extra tube, some dish washing liquid and a bit of muscle ;-)
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Thanks for the replies. I guess I'll have to get hold of an old wheel and practice. Trouble is most breakers only have bent front wheels!

Whilst at the bike show at the NEC last week I asked a Honda rep why they didn't have a tubed option for softies like me. His reply was "they will" somewhat surprisingly. When I pushed him on it he backtracked a bit so I've no idea if they will or not.
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I'm surprised at tubed tyres. It's a five minute job to repair a tubeless tyre and long lasting.
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It's all about the wheel diameter... 21" and 18" wheels have always been wire spoked, so the tires in these sizes have always been tube type.

And to this day, Dual Sport bikes continue to use 21" & 18" wire spoked wheels, for a number of reasons. At the top of the list is the significantly lighter unsprung weight over that of a cast aluminum wheel, as well as a much wider variety of D/S and knobby tire choices.

The simple and easy solution to the OP's question is to use a product called Slime (google it) in the tubes.
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Here's a nice article listing the various options available for going tubeless -
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Thanks MotoMike

I've used Slime in my MTB tubes and also in my MTB tubeless tyres. In my limited experience it doesn't work that well in the tubes - it seems that if the item that punctures the outer tyre remains embedded then the tube is effectively sawed against it to produce a slightly larger hole than the Slime can cope with. I would imagine on a bike like the AT the forces would be larger and so the problem would be worse. But I'm guessing here as I've no experience. I certainly wouldn't feel as relaxed as I have done on regular tubeless tyres.

The article on advpulse (thanks Marsbeetle) is interesting but the solutions put forward seem either a bodge or perhaps not suitable for my 80/20 road usage because of the heat build-up issues.

And I guess that is my problem really. Honda claim it knows the usage will be predominantly road but it has equipped the bike with wheels that are more suited for extended off-roading. I know that some of you guys go off-road for days on end out of sight and out of mind from anyone who could help you if your tubeless tyre got a slash or the rim was bent so you perhaps need to additional robustness of the tubed tyres on a spoked wheel.

My usage will be less extreme and as I'll be mostly in Europe I can normally hike somewhere if I get into real trouble. Everywhere else I could normally put a plug in if I were using tubes.

I'm can't blame Honda - they are replacing a legend and have a substantial heritage to live up to. From my perspective I would just have preferred the option of tubeless. It may well be a deal-breaker for me. Honda may address it in the future who knows? Maybe they feel they already have with the CrossRunner/CrossTourer but maybe not - I do want to do some off-road rather than pretend.

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