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post #21 of 25 (permalink) Old 07-15-2016, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by oalvarez View Post
Gents....on the tall bike front, i've owned multiple GS's (air/water), Multistradas (air/water), a Caponord (water) and a Stelvio. I will ALWAYS own a Multistrada (i think) as i like my bikes a little bit more sporting that full out touring at this juncture in my riding life. If i was a longer distance road rider i'd opt for a GS for certain, maybe even a Super Tenere (a little on the heavy side for me). My question to the two of you (or others) is do you think i will be seriously disappointed in the AT or is the experience totally different ("different type" of fun, different ownership experience, and totally different feel, i.e., engine, taller, wheel config) and one that could justify owning two 500lb upright twins in harmony? Or will i most likely be disappointed at the end of the day? I think the former, but am trying to formulate a more definitive opinion prior to pulling the trigger on one and it costing me $2,500 to $3,000 to determine such! I know the specs of the AT well, I know what it is and what it is not, but that doesn't mean I know the bike exactly feels when riding on the open road. Yep, i'd be buying one without having even sat on one. Nope, i don't do dirt, but it doesn't mean that i won't.

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I don't think you will be disappointed with an AT, it puts a huge smile on my face every time I ride it. I can't imagine the experience be a "stellar" change to what you already have though. For me, a heavy chap, the rear suspension is pretty poor and loaded up touring would be out of the question until the rear shock was sorted out and I find the lack of cruise control a poor omission. I knew the latter before I purchased of course so I mustn't grumble on that point (but I would still like it).

If I was in your position I would wait for a 2018 model, feedback from users and other niggles will of be ironed out by then and the bike may be even better than it is now. So why did I buy a 2016 model? Well, I didn't have a bike, I went in to look at a Triumph, passed the AT in the showroom and it was SOLD before I threw a leg over it. You on the other hand have super wheels at your disposal already and may be able to wait a little longer to decide.

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After owning a 990 KTM and still owning a R1200GSW, I can say that the AT handles all offroad situations with a bit more grace than either one of those and will leave you less tired at the end of the day. It is still a heavy bugger to pick up when you screw up though.....the BMW shines here because it very rarely tips past the cylinders. Dare I say the AT handles almost as well as my 640 adventure? No quite.
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Touratech and BMW join forces to build Rambler

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Ned from ADV wrote a brief piece for CW comparing the AT to various other rivals on the market like the KTM 1190 and 1290, the BMW 1200GS and the S10.

As many have said the closest rival is the KTM 950/990.
Looks like the AT is bucking the market, the more the merrier. Perhaps the AT has made a big impact and spured the rest into rethinking their product set. Copy of article below.

Motorcycle accessories brand Touratech has partnered with BMW Motorrad to produce the ultimate in off-roading machines, the Rambler.
Based on the brand's award-winning adventure machine, the R1200GS, the Rambler is reportedly still a concept, but Touratech claim that it is 'ready-to-go'. Two models have been built and tested; one in the black-grey-yellow Touratech design, and the other in the classic BMW Motorsport colours of white, blue and red.

With everything but the necessary kit removed, and a minimalistic carbon fibre reinforced plastic (CFRP), enduro-style body, the Rambler weighs in at less than 200kg that's more than 50kg less than the standard model.But under its lightweight exterior, this wolf in sheep's clothing hides BMW's powerful 1200cc liquid-cooled Boxer, which produces 123bhp and is capable of pushing the standard bike to a top speed of 125mph.

Rather cleverly, Touratech's developers have combined the engine-gearbox unit from BMW's R1200R Roadster model with the shaft drive from the GS, giving the Rambler a directly responsive, high-torque drive system.Meanwhile, the Rambler's chassis is fitted with a conventional fork, rather than the GS's Telelever system.

Touratech claim the bike is extremely stable, even at high speeds, thanks to specially-tuned suspension, and has superb braking ability due to its lightweight single disc break, which surprisingly features ABS.

A CFRP engine guard panel and protection bars prevent damage from stones and drops on rough terrain, while am 18-litre fuel tank sits in front of the slim, enduro-style seat.
There's no word of whether this modern interpretation of BMW's revered HP2 will make production, but if the response to this prototype is anything to go by, Touratech have a winner on its hands.

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I've spent some pretty decent saddle time on a BMW 800GS touring in both Colorado and New Zealand and really enjoyed the bike. Since picking up my AT, however, I believe I made the purchase that's right for me. Feels much lighter in my opinion just leaning it off the side stand and when the bike is in motion.
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