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post #1 of 29 (permalink) Old 12-24-2015, 10:47 AM Thread Starter
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AT vs KTM/BMW

Ned from ADV wrote a brief piece for CW comparing the AT to various other rivals on the market like the KTM 1190 and 1290, the BMW 1200GS and the S10.

As many have said the closest rival is the KTM 950/990.

http://www.cycleworld.com/2015/12/24...re-bike-world/
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I believe the closest rival is the BMW F800GS.....
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I believe the closest rival is the BMW F800GS.....
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I understand the temptation to compare to the F800, but in my opinion, they are only close on the spec sheet. In person they are chalk and cheese. The F800 is vibey and unbalanced to me, with odd ergonomics for standing. The AT is none of those things... It is closer to the 990, with less "I am channeling the spirit of Meoni" and more "Honda polish and reliability".
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Yes, I read that.....But...the 990 is no longer in production, so I base my obs on current new machinery.
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I was interested in getting the BMW F800GS at one stage but then the total lack of adjustable suspension up front was the deal breaker for me, especially for going off-road(and the price).

Otherwise a decent motorcycle.
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Hi, I have an F650GS, the 800cc twin with a lower spec. I use it is Spain mainly - mostly on road but with with some limited rough surface track use. Contrary to the opinion above I don't find it vibey at all. Quite pleasant and rorty to use in all circumstances and fine whilst standing up too. Plenty of low down torque but not a whole lot of top end - but gets to 100mph plus very rapidly nonetheless. My longest single days run was from Northern France to Moraira in South eastern Spain. 850 miles approx and I can't say that vibes were ever a big problem. I am thinking of the new AT as a replacement as I like the idea of the DCT (I've ridden a friends 1200 DCT and liked it - particularly the inability to stall it at low revs.)
I see the AT as an updated and purpose designed replacement for my current bike with more power - especially for two up with my wife, the DCT box and better off road capabilities - but am not keen on the tubed tyres!
I also have to say that the weight of the AT is a big disappointment. How do Honda manage to add so much of it?
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I also have to say that the weight of the AT is a big disappointment. How do Honda manage to add so much of it?
They chose strength over weight - things like the subframe are made of steel and not aluminium. It also may have had something to do with keeping the manufacturing costs down to make the AT more marketable in an already crowded market. If they used lighter alloys/metals then you can be sure the AT wouldn't be selling at its current price.

Anyway, from reading the reviews the AT doesn't feel heavy which is a bonus.
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I've ridden the F800 and honestly don't know how they can be classed as vibey and unbalanced ? I found it to be really nice and although not super smooth, it certainly didn't give me white finger or tingles in my hands or feet. If anything, it has 'character' !
Still wouldn't buy one tho ' !!!
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Hate that beak on the BMW GS.
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