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post #21 of 38 (permalink) Old 04-23-2016, 06:48 AM
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its nice for indonesian road....this bike. but for indonesian people seat high to high......usually only 165 cm hehehhehehehe
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Had to chime in here regarding the suspension... I, for one, found it to be far too soft, too deep into the stroke, and the high speed damping is extremely harsh. The problems with the suspension have become even more pronounced as I've added accessories or if I'm carrying luggage or a passenger. I have spoken with three different pro suspension tuners and even take my bike into one. The results were unanimous. The bike needs springs, at least, and re-valving wouldn't hurt either. I just picked up the Hyperpro kit for mine and will be taking it to Super Plush to get it installed and tuned.
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Had to chime in here regarding the suspension... I, for one, found it to be far too soft, too deep into the stroke, and the high speed damping is extremely harsh. The problems with the suspension have become even more pronounced as I've added accessories or if I'm carrying luggage or a passenger. I have spoken with three different pro suspension tuners and even take my bike into one. The results were unanimous. The bike needs springs, at least, and re-valving wouldn't hurt either. I just picked up the Hyperpro kit for mine and will be taking it to Super Plush to get it installed and tuned.
What do you do with your bike? Highway or dirt roads?

Before changing anything, you know the suspension can be adjusted in many, many ways, right?

PS - of course if you go to a suspension shop, they will tell you the stock suspension is sh.t and will sell you stuff. ;-) So far, and for the past 10 months this bike has been offered, most people only have great things to say about the suspension.

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I find the suspension works great for both rough dirt roads and aggressive road riding. Given its long stroke, there will be fork dive under hard braking but it can be mitigated through adequate use of the rear brake and also by using the strong engine braking. Put that slipper clutch to work!

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What do you do with your bike? Highway or dirt roads?

Before changing anything, you know the suspension can be adjusted in many, many ways, right?

PS - of course if you go to a suspension shop, they will tell you the stock suspension is sh.t and will sell you stuff. ;-) So far, and for the past 10 months this bike has been offered, most people only have great things to say about the suspension.

I take varying routes to destinations that often include some relatively easy going off road riding.

I have only been riding for 31 years now and racing for over half of that... Think I got that one figured out. The suspension guys I've talked to have all been people I know from the industry and have tried to sell me exactly nothing. They're just good people.

It's worth noting that you can change the suspension via the adjusters, but not drastically... The springs and valves are what determine the baseline for how the bike will ride, all the little knobs and screws are simply for fine tuning that ride.
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"I just picked up the Hyperpro kit for mine and will be taking it to Super Plush to get it installed and tuned"

Jason, let us know how the Hyperpro worked out for you if you wouldn't mind. I think the rear is far too soft too (when heavy loaded), front I find OK.

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Hi Maverick,

I agree with Jason and find the AT too softly sprung for both on and off road riding.

My understanding from the Honda people is that the AT is set up for a person weighing 80kg plus an additional 15kg for luggage. For people like me at 110kg plus 50 kg luggage, add-ons and accessories, the suspension is way too soft, even at maximum compression settings.

I have had the front and rear suspension re-valved and re-sprung for my weight and luggage by http://www.krooztune.com/ in Melbourne and it has made a huge difference to the safety and handling of the bike.

Krooztune also have a wealth of information on their website that riders can apply to their own circumstances. I found the setup tips particularly helpful, even after a lifetime on the bikes.
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For now mine is ok as I only ride solo on the AT. I will eventually go for a stronger spring but I will also have the shock revalved or have a heavier suspension fluid installed, as the current damping is already compromised and a stronger spring will exacerbate that aspect.
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I had a look at my stock AT sag today. I have Ractech's suspension bible and tend to follow there expert advise. They state that generally rider sag should be anywhere between 33-35% into the stroke. The Africa Twin's shock has 221mm of travel so that equates into an ideal sag of between 72-77mm. I am 95Kg's and when sat on the bike the race/rider sag reads 105mm that's 47.5% into the stroke. Now taking the rider out of the equation for a minute. With only the stock bike weight on the suspension the "free" sag is 67mm that's 30.3% of the total suspension travel gone before anything- rider, luggage etc, now not much left there to make the 33% target sag is there! All these sag measurements were with the suspension at default pre-load i.e. 7 clicks in from zero clockwise.

I'm waiting on the Hyperpro fork/shock springs to be delivered. Ive also had some feedback from someone else who has just installed the shock spring (+20mm). I think he was around 75KG's. Sitting on the bike with only 3 clicks of pee-load husband sag is 70mm around the 30% mark. Don his riding gear and he should be right in the 33-35% sag range and loads of pre-load to play with (31 clicks)
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I hope everyone understands that there are a couple of variables to consider when setting Sag - first is to remember that it will take 2000 miles on a bike to have a fairly consistent Sag setting. It's important to set it just after a couple of hundred miles, but you will need to check it a lot as the bushings, shocks & forks break it. When everything is tight, it will take more preload to get down to that 30% area than it will when its broken in.

Second is that personal preference takes precedence in the end. When its all said and done the suspension needs to be setup to what works for you.

Thus far with my ride I am at 25% sag in the front, 30% in the rear. For my 230lbs I am about 3 turns from full stiff on the front adjusters and I am about 5 clicks from full stiff on the rear preload. Now in order to have the 25% sag in the front I have lowered the clamps on the fork by 10mm, which offsets the weight bias of the 5% difference. Bike rides fantastic on the street, even with the Dunlops on it still.

I anticipate if I am doing any trail riding to just soften the dampening

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