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"The voice of reason Captain! Fair comments ... I really enjoyed my test on the DCT. I'm just not prepared to wait for an indefinite period"
... thank you! I think Honda will soon be able to satisfy all demand quickly. Usually nothing drives desirability like unavailability - just ask Megan Fox! ;-D Over the years, desirable bikes typically get labeled as 'sold out for the rest of the year' and it's easy to go and purchase something else that turns your eye. But I've never known a bike, no matter how desirable, that wasn't available within a few months once deliveries to that country begin to filter through to dealers - and typical I've always bought the latest, greatest, most desirable models going - yes, I'm not oblivious to getting suckered into the 'unobtainium' trap too! :-D
Good point - when the BMW R9T was launched not long ago there was at least a 6 month waiting list and yet two or 3 months ago I was very surprised to see no less than 5 pre-registered R9T's in Coopers BMW in Sunderland. (for those not based in the UK - the practice of dealers pre-registering bikes is to hit arbitrary sales targets that the manufacturer has set. 3 of the bikes had been pre-registered 12 months prior.)
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Hello All - sorry for lack of updates, have been busy with a new job and travelling

So today is NEW BIKE day again for me :-) Honda couldn't set my expectation in terms of a timeline for my original DCT CRF1000 to be fixed / given back, so have supplied a brand new one which they sourced and had shipped to the UK in record time. Let's see how this one turns out! It will be the fourth CRF1000 I've spent time with and second DCT

Regarding my original machine that developed a mind of its own, technicians from Japan came over to the UK to further investigate - but as of now I still don't have a single piece of technical information or justification as to what happened, or what warranted an ECU change, gearbox sensor change, clutch solenoid changes etc. Pretty disappointing that in over 2 months all Honda have said is, 'sorry' and 'thank you for your patience'. The fact that I want and need answers in order to ride the new one daily with confidence, and to put other DCT riders minds at rest seems to be totally lost on Honda

I'll share the details of the problematic machine, just in case it somehow re-enters the channel, which I'd think is highly unlikely:

  • Model: CRF1000D-G
  • Reg: VX16 YYS
  • VIN / Chassis / Frame No: JH2SD04C7GK001962
  • Engine Number: SD046001979
  • First Registered: 01/03/16

I had a great time in Coachella - the music & arts festival was sensational. The better half and I spent some time on Indians - a Scout and a Chieftain. Pretty agricultural machines as to be expected, the Scout in particular is impressive with 100hp and extremely nimble handling. I'd rate the Chieftain as better than the equivalent HD which I've also toured on - but they are way too expensive for what they are in my opinion

Ride safe all - I'll keep you posted with any further info on my old bike and let you know how my new one behaves. A few pics:







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I doubt your bike will end up in the hands of a paying customer. If anything it may end up as a promo/demo bike. A test bike or even crushed once the issue has been found.

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I doubt your bike will end up in the hands of a paying customer. If anything it may end up as a promo/demo bike. A test bike or even crushed once the issue has been found.
Agreed, my guess will be a technical training school bike or the engine will end up on a dyno doing oil/reliability testing.
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"plus they gave me back the ludicrous amount of throttle free play"
... did they adjust the throttle cable? I remember my throttle cable sticking open on my X7 when I was just a teenager. That was a lot of fun. With 6" of snow on the ground!
Oh great, what memories, I had an X7 also. My throttle was fine but a rear puncture, two up at 70MPH on M4 was scary!
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Agreed, my guess will be a technical training school bike or the engine will end up on a dyno doing oil/reliability testing.
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I doubt your bike will end up in the hands of a paying customer. If anything it may end up as a promo/demo bike. A test bike or even crushed once the issue has been found.
Oh! I wouldn't be too sure about that. This was in the UK some years ago.
Years back, I bought a brand new Ford Escort RS Turbo from the local Ford dealer. The car developed a starting problem soon after we took delivery. It turns out that there was a fault that Ford were unable to trace which caused the car not to spin the starter motor if the engine bay/car was warm. (Yeah weird). If the car was cold inside it would start.
So, pull up at a petrol (gas) station, turn it off, fill it up... go to start a few minutes later... ignition on... nada! Bump start,... and off it went.
Stop at the shops for a few minutes. Same thing.
Leave it for an hour or so to cool right down and it would start normally.
Local Ford dealer did the whole starter relay at fault, stater solenoid, starer motor etc.
After a lot of messing around under warranty replacement 2 x starter motors, etc. They admitted defeat and took it back.

A bit like Honda in this thread, Ford replaced the car (in my case after about 10 months) with a brand new RS2000 (RS Turbo was no longer available by then).

What happened to the duff car?? About 18 months later I received a call from RAC Auto check (or whatever they were called) asking if I was the previous owner of the RS Turbo and asked nicely if I wouldn't mind answering a couple of questions about it's history, as they suspected something was odd due to the extremely low mileage the car was showing.
I told them the whole story and suggested the mileage was low because whomever owned the car since probably wouldn't trust it to start when out on a trip somewhere.

So... it seems that the manufacturer (Ford) simply brushed their hands of the problem vehicle and sold the car off onto the second hand market (probably through an auction) and did not crush it or anything like that.

I think it's a great idea that the S4MST3R posted all the bikes Reg/VIN details online. It could be that the bike doesn't get crushed or scrapped and it might be sold off. So, in the unlikely event that anyone comes across the bike further down the line and has some issues which they google, then they might get a hit and see the whole story.
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Hello All - been a while

Good news is that the replacement DCT is behaving beautifully - still totally convinced it's the transmission to go for, despite the issues with the first one. Riding it hard in manual mode is just genius - certainly makes me a quicker and safer rider - the slipper clutch is brilliant

Got peeling paint on my wheels on the new one (small area in front of each spoke) which are being replaced under warranty - new ones are at the dealer, just got to get there to have them swapped over

Done a good few thousand miles now and am averaging 52.7mpg........ range for me is about 225-230 miles. I've been able to get 55 miles after the reserve indicator starts flashing! Best consumption I've achieved across a tank is 58.1mpg, worst was 43.9mpg :-). Fuel consumption calculated via the Fuelly app - the bikes system is not very accurate

Tyres are great in the dry, average in the wet and downright dangerous over wet metalwork! Never known anything like it. Had a few arse clenching moments on unknown roads in bends over manhole covers - treating them as if ice

All in all still loving the bike. Disappointed with the durability of the rear grab rails / rack and the seat. Mine's really marked up and paint coming off having been caught lightly by my big motocross boots. Fixings and fastenings are pretty cheap and nasty, and DCT is very sensitive to drive chain tension (gets clunky between 1st and 2nd up and down the box when it's out of adjustment)

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Glad it all worked out for you.


A number of us have issues with the Oem tyres and its not just over metalwork.
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Hello All - been a while

Good news is that the replacement DCT is behaving beautifully - still totally convinced it's the transmission to go for, despite the issues with the first one. Riding it hard in manual mode is just genius - certainly makes me a quicker and safer rider - the slipper clutch is brilliant

Got peeling paint on my wheels on the new one (small area in front of each spoke) which are being replaced under warranty - new ones are at the dealer, just got to get there to have them swapped over

Done a good few thousand miles now and am averaging 52.7mpg........ range for me is about 225-230 miles. I've been able to get 55 miles after the reserve indicator starts flashing! Best consumption I've achieved across a tank is 58.1mpg, worst was 43.9mpg :-). Fuel consumption calculated via the Fuelly app - the bikes system is not very accurate

Tyres are great in the dry, average in the wet and downright dangerous over wet metalwork! Never known anything like it. Had a few arse clenching moments on unknown roads in bends over manhole covers - treating them as if ice

All in all still loving the bike. Disappointed with the durability of the rear grab rails / rack and the seat. Mine's really marked up and paint coming off having been caught lightly by my big motocross boots. Fixings and fastenings are pretty cheap and nasty, and DCT is very sensitive to drive chain tension (gets clunky between 1st and 2nd up and down the box when it's out of adjustment)

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G'Day,

I noticed that you said the DCT is sensitive to drive chain tension. The manual boxes are guilty of clunking from first to second too. Do you find the chain is too slack when it clunks or too tight. Just interested in your experience.

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The DCT's smoothness at slow speed suffers when the chain becomes too slack - particularly when slowing to a stop as it goes 2nd to 1st - same as on a manual machine, your clutchless upshifts are never as slick if the chain's too loose

Need to be careful with the AT's chain tension though - the big rear suspension travel means it tightens loads once you're aboard.........add in some lumps and jumps in the road and think of the strain on the output shaft. On the CRF and XRV I run the chain as loose as I can get away with whilst still keeping the gear shifts smooth - mind you I'm pretty heavy :-)
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