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post #11 of 20 (permalink) Old 01-27-2019, 12:46 AM
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I’ve never totted up how much I’ve spent on my AT as it would scare me or end up in the divorce court !!
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I know the haters when it comes to the Chinese made rotax

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Doesn't matter if it was a salami sammich. If that bike is what makes someone happy its a great bike for them. I honestly don't understand why it's such a issue to you what engine a company uses on a bike you don't own. Do you have a axe to grind with BMW? Did they do you wrong somehow in the past? I've never rode a 800 or 650 gs only the boxer once and honestly enjoyed it very much. Can't attest to the reliability and cost of ownership but if the bike lit my soul on fire and met my need I would have bought it. I personally love all bikes and if I had the cash I would own one from every manufacturer. Even the Chinese one's.

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I personally love all bikes and if I had the cash I would own one from every manufacturer. Even the Chinese one's.
Bet you wouldn’t......
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Doesn't matter if it was a salami sammich. If that bike is what makes someone happy its a great bike for them. I honestly don't understand why it's such a issue to you what engine a company uses on a bike you don't own. Do you have a axe to grind with BMW? Did they do you wrong somehow in the past? I've never rode a 800 or 650 gs only the boxer once and honestly enjoyed it very much. Can't attest to the reliability and cost of ownership but if the bike lit my soul on fire and met my need I would have bought it. I personally love all bikes and if I had the cash I would own one from every manufacturer. Even the Chinese one's.

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That´s the problem , i can attest reliability and cost of ownership . Good and bad things. That´s why i give a word about .
Also this bikes are not assembled in US , but the factory is in Berlin.
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I agree with Paxtonbrimstone, if it makes you happy it is a good thing. To be honest, the thing that sold me on an adventure bike was 5 days in West Virginia on a rented 1200GS. I absolutely loved the bike, but given that the nearest BMW dealers are an hour away, and given the cost, I opted for the ATAS for convenience, reliability, etc. Oh, yes, I can lean my AT over till the pegs scrape with out feeling out of control just like on the Beamer. And Pax, as a good friend of mine, a moto-journalist for Rider wrote just a few issues ago when asked how many bikes are enough, responded "just one more". It's all good.

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I had a topic on F850 but seems it disappeared. Here in UK that BMW is less money (like for like equipment) compared to CRF1000. In addition you can configure F850 with many modern options, which are not available for AT at all. Also it comes with tubeless wheels standard and with my overall BMW experience most probably would ride at least as good if not better.

Although I am not impressed how my AT fare cosmetically (and I think Honda build quality is just a myth nowadays), I still tend to believe it would be more reliable compared to the Bimmer. And DCT option is unique and I quite enjoy it.

So everyone is free to made their choice, but one for all I am glad there are many choices out-there and manufacturers truly compete each other. That can be only advantage for us, the users.
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Having people I know on BMWs and having being myself in different dealerships, BMW, KAWI, YAM, HONDA, I can tell you all the mechanics I know well and don't work for BMW,
don't want to have anything to do with them, they are overall unreliable as adventure machines and even one now YAM dealer used to sell BMW and switched, telling them literally to
pick their **** up and go **** themselves.
He needed 4 full time mechanics only for warranty claims and this wasn't a big city dealership, so the guy wasn't making profit he switched to Japanese, I think this says a lot !


People can enjoy BMWs I reall don't mind, I'll just stay with the reliability of japanese makers myself.
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I really can't see how an 850 would be any better, or better than my AT 'Sport.
It should be better than the 800 because it's now a 270 degree parallel twin (like the AT), rather than the unpleasant BMW 360-degree 800 parallel twin. Their old parallel twin didn't really do it for me in any of the 3 bikes I tried it in, but I'm curious about the new one. If they come out with an F850GT or F850XR I might give it a try.
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I have come to the AT after three top of the range BMW (Burn My Wallet) RT boxers and while a good bike thought the boxer engines were always rough by nature. I test rode the 850GS and couldn't get over how poor it was even compared to the boxer, both the engine and gear box were unbelievably course and crude.

The 850GS also looks and feels cheap and for all its fancy rear suspension electronics the front forks are not at all adjustable.

I also tested the Triumph 800 XCA which I think is a cracking bike but too road focused and it has a small tank range.

For me the AT (AS DCT in my case) is a good quality product and has a far smoother engine than the BMW 850GS also strong competition for the Triumph 800. I don't think the AT should be compared directly to the GS1200/1250 and the like because they are different bikes and five grand more expensive. That said, for me the AT stands tall and scores very well against those bikes also.

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