Originally Posted by Ghostrider.1127
That´s the main point , materials for few reasons (like : environement and costs ) are not the same of 1999 or 1979 , not that difficult to understand.
Absolutely but then the bike should rather cost what Yamahas cost, as their finishes are lower quality, yet Hondas still cost shitloads of money, it's one or the other, you can't have the butter and the money of the butter as we say in french.
Having said that I had never any of my yamis in 10 years have a spot of rust and while yamis gearboxes aren't the best, none let me down like the Honda did, so yes I might be of the few unlucky people, but as everyone says, the main problem is the lack of seriousness from customer services, if they had taken this seriously I would still be a Honda customer.
Again for me you can't talk about these issues being lemons, because bad paint/welds and rust/corrosion, is cutting corners for money on material, it's not like having a bike that has electrical or engine misshaps because it was the last bike of the week and is a lemon, because something went wrong in assembly.
Because as Honda says crappy welds are in specs, basically they themselves tell you they cut corners and that you have to accept it, they don't talk about lemons at all.
Anyway they'll sell many 2020 and time will tell if they learned something from the early ATs and ATAS, hopefully for customers they will.