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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 07-30-2019, 07:59 PM Thread Starter
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Key duplication / blank key

Hello all,

Does anyone know if the US / Canadian Africa Twins Adventure Sports has a chip in the key that needs to be programmed to the ECU? I've read different things on forums.

The dealer told me I only need to get a blank from them and go to a place that can do laser cutting.

Also, does anybody know the part number for the blank key?
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post #2 of 11 (permalink) Old 07-30-2019, 08:06 PM
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You can see the blank key in this parts diagram (#7) - https://www.bike-parts-honda.ca/hond...4/F_06/2/35046

Not sure if its different per country but the site I linked to is Canadian. However, when you click on the part number in the list it brings you to a page where it shows all the bikes it is compatible with and USA models are there as well.

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The part number for my 2018 ATAS comes up in the us: 35121-MGP-A93 yours was 35121-MJP-A61 and I can find it here too but it’s JUST for 2017
The “A93” fits....
2018
2018 Honda Africa Twin CRF1000A24AC (18) MOTORCYCLE, JPN, VIN# JH2SD044-JK200001
HANDLEBAR + TOP BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 7 Quantity Required: 1
2018 Honda Africa Twin CRF1000A2AC VIN# JH2SD040-JK200001
HANDLEBAR + TOP BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 7 Quantity Required: 1
2018 Honda Africa Twin CRF1000A3AC VIN# JH2SD040-JK200001
HANDLEBAR + TOP BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 7 Quantity Required: 1
2018 Honda Africa Twin CRF1000AAC (18) MOTORCYCLE, JPN, VIN# JH2SD040-JK200001
HANDLEBAR + TOP BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 7 Quantity Required: 1
2018 Honda Africa Twin CRF1000D24AC (18) MOTORCYCLE, JPN, VIN# JH2SD045-JK200001
HANDLEBAR + TOP BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 7 Quantity Required: 1
2018 Honda Africa Twin CRF1000D2AC (18) MOTORCYCLE, JPN, VIN# JH2SD041-JK200001
HANDLEBAR + TOP BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 7 Quantity Required: 1
2018 Honda Africa Twin CRF1000D3AC (18) MOTORCYCLE, JPN, VIN# JH2SD041-JK200001
HANDLEBAR + TOP BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 7 Quantity Required: 1
2018 Honda Africa Twin CRF1000DAC (18) MOTORCYCLE, JPN, VIN# JH2SD041-JK200001
HANDLEBAR + TOP BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 7 Quantity Required: 1
2018 Honda CBR1000RA2AC
HANDLEBAR + TOP BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 8 Quantity Required: 1
2018 Honda CBR1000RAAC
HANDLEBAR + TOP BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 8 Quantity Required: 1
2018 Honda CBR1000RR2AC
HANDLEBAR + TOP BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 8 Quantity Required: 1
2018 Honda CBR1000RRAC
HANDLEBAR + TOP BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 8 Quantity Required: 1
2018 Honda CBR1000S12AC
HANDLEBAR + TOP BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 8 Quantity Required: 1
2017
2017 Honda CB1100CAAC
HANDLEBAR + TOP BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 7 Quantity Required: 1
2017 Honda CB1100NAAC
HANDLEBAR + TOP BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 7 Quantity Required: 1
2017 Honda CBR1000RA2AC
HANDLEBAR + TOP BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 8 Quantity Required: 1
2017 Honda CBR1000RAAC
HANDLEBAR + TOP BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 8 Quantity Required: 1
2017 Honda CBR1000RR2A
HANDLEBAR + TOP BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 8 Quantity Required: 1
2017 Honda CBR1000RR2AC
HANDLEBAR + TOP BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 8 Quantity Required: 1
2017 Honda CBR1000RRA
HANDLEBAR + TOP BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 8 Quantity Required: 1
2017 Honda CBR1000RRAC
HANDLEBAR + TOP BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 8 Quantity Required: 1
2017 Honda CBR1000S12AC
HANDLEBAR + TOP BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 8 Quantity Required: 1
2017 Honda CBR1000S22AC
HANDLEBAR + TOP BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 8 Quantity Required: 1
2017 Honda VFR1200XAC
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Diagram Part # 7 Quantity Required: 1
2017 Honda VFR1200XDAC
[email protected] BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 7 Quantity Required: 1
2016
2016 Honda CBR1000RA
[email protected] BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 7 Quantity Required: 1
2016 Honda CBR1000RR
[email protected] BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 7 Quantity Required: 1
2016 Honda CBR1000S
[email protected] BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 7 Quantity Required: 1
2015
2015 Honda CBR1000RR
[email protected] BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 7 Quantity Required: 1
2015 Honda CBR1000RR ABS
[email protected] BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 7 Quantity Required: 1
2015 Honda CBR1000S
[email protected] BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 7 Quantity Required: 1
2015 Honda Interceptor Deluxe VFR800FD
[email protected] BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 9 Quantity Required: 1
2015 Honda Interceptor VFR800F
[email protected] BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 9 Quantity Required: 1
2014
2014 Honda CBR1000RA
[email protected] BRIDGE (2)
Diagram Part # 7 Quantity Required: 1
2014 Honda CBR1000RR
[email protected] BRIDGE (2)
Diagram Part # 7 Quantity Required: 1
2014 Honda CBR1000RS
[email protected] BRIDGE (2)
Diagram Part # 7 Quantity Required: 1
2014 Honda CBR1000S
[email protected] BRIDGE (2)
Diagram Part # 7 Quantity Required: 1
2014 Honda CTX1300
[email protected] BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 8 Quantity Required: 1
2014 Honda CTX1300A ABS
[email protected] BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 8 Quantity Required: 1
2014 Honda Interceptor VFR800F
[email protected] BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 9 Quantity Required: 1


And the “A61” fits:

2017
2017 Honda CRF1000A2AC-AfricaTwin
[email protected] BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 7 Quantity Required: 1
2017 Honda CRF1000A3AC-Africa Twin
HANDLEBAR + TOP BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 7 Quantity Required: 1
2017 Honda CRF1000D2AC-Africa Twin
HANDLEBAR + TOP BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 7 Quantity Required: 1
2017 Honda CRF1000D3AC-Africa Twin
HANDLEBAR + TOP BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 7 Quantity Required: 1
2017 Honda CRF1000DAC-Africa Twin
[email protected] BRIDGE
Diagram Part # 7 Quantity Required: 1

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Point is I’m guessing it would be better to look up the key by YOUR model just to be sure...

As for the chip... I’d say no, because there is no letter “C” stamped in the key - usually they do that to indicate that the key is ‘chipped’ and needs to be programmed into the ECU..

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The Africa Twins have the 2nd generation of Honda Ignition Security System (HISS2) - and the keys need to be "linked" with an existing key before they will work. If you lose all of your keys then it's a couple of grand to replace the HISS2 system... If you're down to one key - get another...

If you know your key tag - then you should be able to order one already cut. If you lost the tag then get a blank and have it cut.

They sell two different keys for most HISS and HISS2 bikes - the cheaper one has no transponder and can't be used for the ignition. I think $40 was the going rate on the last one I saw.

Then you need to program it. You can build a little harness to program HISS keys really easy - but I don't know about HISS2, so I'd take it to the dealer.


I'm wondering if the HISS2 allows 3 keys - because I want to bury one inside the bodywork in case I lose my key while on a trip. I had my pack and pants (two sets of keys) stolen once. Luckily I found the pants (sans wallet) about a quarter mile down the trail (in the dark).
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The Africa Twins have the 2nd generation of Honda Ignition Security System (HISS2) - and the keys need to be "linked" with an existing key before they will work. If you lose all of your keys then it's a couple of grand to replace the HISS2 system... If you're down to one key - get another...

If you know your key tag - then you should be able to order one already cut. If you lost the tag then get a blank and have it cut.

They sell two different keys for most HISS and HISS2 bikes - the cheaper one has no transponder and can't be used for the ignition. I think $40 was the going rate on the last one I saw.

Then you need to program it. You can build a little harness to program HISS keys really easy - but I don't know about HISS2, so I'd take it to the dealer.


I'm wondering if the HISS2 allows 3 keys - because I want to bury one inside the bodywork in case I lose my key while on a trip. I had my pack and pants (two sets of keys) stolen once. Luckily I found the pants (sans wallet) about a quarter mile down the trail (in the dark).
Funny mine has no HISS ignition or lights.. it’ll have to dig out my RF card reader and see if my key is coded. I’m thinking no, I sure can’t see anywhere on Honda’s site where it even says the AT is. You’d think that would be a selling point...

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Funny mine has no HISS ignition or lights.. itll have to dig out my RF card reader and see if my key is coded. Im thinking no, I sure cant see anywhere on Hondas site where it even says the AT is. Youd think that would be a selling point...
The HISS indicator is just below the high beam indicator on the 2016/2017 bikes - but I don't know where it is on the 2018's. You can set it to off or blinking - but it seems odd they would default it to off. I have an ATAS like you. I'll have to look under the pillon seat and see if mine has the red plug. I was told mine has it, and was warned about the keys specifically because of that. Of course - if a salesman tells you something and it isn't in the paperwork - then it doesn't matter. ****, if mine doesn't have it then I need to get an alarm...
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My 2016 model did not need any programming when I had a spare key cut for it by my local locksmith.

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The HISS indicator is just below the high beam indicator on the 2016/2017 bikes - but I don't know where it is on the 2018's. You can set it to off or blinking - but it seems odd they would default it to off. I have an ATAS like you. I'll have to look under the pillon seat and see if mine has the red plug. I was told mine has it, and was warned about the keys specifically because of that. Of course - if a salesman tells you something and it isn't in the paperwork - then it doesn't matter. ****, if mine doesn't have it then I need to get an alarm...
I know for a fact that mine has no blinking HISS light or none that comes on, even in the “test mode” when you first put the key in so you know all your lights are working.
I think with the AT the HISS system is country specific and the US don’t have it...Even by default if they set it to off (not blinking) the light still would come on when you first power up to let you know that it’s not out... I’m guessing because of the security keys that make “picking” or “bumping” the tumbler in the ignition switch almost impossible.

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My '17 Canadian AT doesn't have it either. I think it is country specific, I have a downloaded copy of the owner's manual (not sure for what country) and it does make mention of the HISS and how it shows up on the dash. My manual doesn't have any info on it at all and no light.

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