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post #11 of 19 (permalink) Old 06-04-2016, 10:09 PM
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I find the throttle very twitchy starting off also. I put on a "cramp buster" to help with highway riding and had to take it off. More than once I bumped it while going for the front brake and the bike would jump forward. Scary to say the least. I have ordered a Kaoke throttle lock which I hope will help.
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post #12 of 19 (permalink) Old 09-07-2016, 05:30 PM
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I find the AT very responsive at low throttle, but it was miles easier to control after I adjusted the humongous amount of slack out of the cable.

I like all my bikes to have virtually no play in the throttle cable, that way as soon as I touch the throttle the engine is responding, it makes it much easier to balance going slowly or maneuver the bike.

Just check by turning the handlebars from lock to lock with the bike ticking over that it is not so tight that it affects the normal idling.

When I put it in for the first service they unfortunately adjusted it back as it says in the manual, next time it goes in I will specifically request they don't alter my personal settings.
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I don't find my DCT's throttle response to be abrupt at all. Far tamer than my flashed Super Tenere.

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I own a Triumph Tiger 800 XRx, which is the roadie version, so this comparison will be a bit apples to oranges, but since I've been seriously considering the switch to the AT, I'll toss in my comparison notes. I've test ridden the DCT AT, so have a small amount of direct comparison, but most of it will be based on features and the things I learned while riding the Triumph.

The Tiger weighs about 40 lbs less, it has cruise control, 17/19 inch cast wheels with tubeless tires, it has a power outlet that will run higher draw items, such as a heated jacket liner or an air pump, it has self-canceling turn signals, the windshield is adjustable and it came with a center stand. The power is a kick in the pants on the street, as is the handling.

The AT has almost 20 ft/lbs more torque and you can really feel the difference when riding. The Tiger's power delivery is almost road racer like, in that some clutch slipping is required to get going, then it pulls through moderate mid-range power. When you get things spinning in that little motor, it pulls quite strongly in upper mid-range through top end. This is fun on the pavement, but is definitely not the hot set up in the dirt. With significantly more low end grunt, the AT has the motor advantage off-road, hands down. The AT also has about an inch more suspension travel, much simpler TC/ABS controls, and the TC can be changed while riding. Both bikes have the typical (suckful) default reset upon turning the bike off. Like I said, my Tiger is the roadie, but the XC (17/21 wire spoke wheels & WP suspension) has the same motor and power characteristics, so I'd have to give a large advantage to the Honda when the pavement ends. As far as street riding and open road touring go, I'd give the nod to the Triumph.

I have years of dirt riding experience and if there were more places to ride off-road around here these days, I'd give up the street advantages of the Tiger and switch to the AT as soon as I could find one to buy.

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post #15 of 19 (permalink) Old 12-11-2016, 12:42 PM
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I would attribute the throttle response mostly to the ultra-lean mapping on the bike. Honda just trying to get the thing to meet emissions.

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post #16 of 19 (permalink) Old 06-26-2018, 08:36 AM
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I am going to leave my Africa Twin Account dormant for now as I traded in my 2016 manual AT for a Triumph Tiger 1200. Thank you to everyone on the forum who have given good advice on various bits and bobs, great bunch of folk and I am grateful for those offering help.

I took the new 2018 Triumph Tiger 1200 Gen 3 XCa model. To me the bikes are not a fair comparison and not really aimed at the same market. It is a bit like all those pointless YouTube videos with titles like, “the new Africa Twin, the GS beater”? They are just not aimed at the same buyer demographic or use case or spend.

I found my AT with a very low spring rate at the rear for my weight but very easily sorted and very cheaply with just a spring change, so that was sorted without resorting to expensive complete swap outs.
I hated the ultra-lean fuelling and the poor low speed engine control, again another reasonably cheap fix with a rapid bike easy.
I found it ergonomically good but got saddle sore after only a couple of hours, all day rides around the Wild Atlantic way had me aching and my clutch hand knackered (DCT would have cured that, now my quick shifter does).

I was not overly mad or confident on the road handling with the skinny front tyre and what I perceived as poor front-end feedback, especially in the wet (OEM and TA2’s). That had quite an effect on my thinking.
The Triumph is a different beast entirely and has negative points as well, it is just it is better suited to my use case of spending long, sometimes fast days in the saddle on regular roads. I had originally intended that for the AT but it’s load capacity was left wanting. I felt when loaded right up the AT was a little asthmatic and not up to the job. If I was riding solo round the world I think it would be my no1 choice by not for tarmac strewn Europe.

I have no doubt that when my riding becomes a little less demanding (speed/distance wise) the AT will be the top bike back on my shopping list with its simplicity and bullet proof engine. Thanks all, bye.
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Read all these posts with interest. I have a new ATAS 2019 manual. I traded an Aprilia Caponord for it after much research on which bike to get. Had a Triumph 955, then 1050 so I am very familiar with that triple engine. I was bummed when they dropped the 1050 here in the USA. I really like my new AT in spite of its engine problems which I have posted about. When it is running right it’s a comfy bike for touring, more so than my Triumphs and Aprilia. Had considered a Triumph 800 but I went for the Honda. I’ve already done more dirt on this AT than my previous 2 bikes and it handles it well. Anyway just my 2 cents. Loved this thread cuz it hit home!
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Put it in gravel mode for smoothness at really low 1st gear work. When carrying a passenger for the first time I use gravel mode to keep it as smooth as possible for them.
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Two of the happiest days in my motorcycling life. The day I bought a Triumph Explorer 1200 and the day I sold it
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