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post #21 of 69 (permalink) Old 01-29-2019, 02:04 AM
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To me Bartubeless is not that different to Outex or 3M solutions and the main issue in my opinion is that they do seal the spokes and they become non-serviceable.
The front has bead retention grooves, which greatly improves the odds of being about to do a simple plug and inflate repair when you get a flat. Compared to a sealed front AT wheel, where you'll be lucky if you get a front flat and the tire bead doesn't lose its seal.
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Concluding:

1. Alpina Wheels

* there are cases that leakages through the o-rings have happened
* Home Service is quite dificult and rather risky (based on the instructions I have seen in their site
* cost is high

2. Kineo

* best solution available
* cost is SUPER high, close to non justifiable to most of us

3. Outex/3M solution

* Low Cost
* highly dependand on self skills
* not recomended for the front wheel due to the absence of the hump
* Problematic service in case of a leak

4. Bartubless

* Cost is so and so, yet the cheaper proffesional solution
* Seems reliable enough; I have not found many cases with reported leakages
* Can be self serviced in case of a leak, through the kit they provide

So, it seems that the Bartubless is the best scenario for cost/reliability/servicability
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Concluding:

1. Alpina Wheels

* there are cases that leakages through the o-rings have happened
* Home Service is quite dificult and rather risky (based on the instructions I have seen in their site
* cost is high

2. Kineo

* best solution available
* cost is SUPER high, close to non justifiable to most of us

3. Outex/3M solution

* Low Cost
* highly dependand on self skills
* not recomended for the front wheel due to the absence of the hump
* Problematic service in case of a leak

4. Bartubless

* Cost is so and so, yet the cheaper proffesional solution
* Seems reliable enough; I have not found many cases with reported leakages
* Can be self serviced in case of a leak, through the kit they provide

So, it seems that the Bartubless is the best scenario for cost/reliability/servicability
After going through the same thought process as you, I arrived at the same conclusion and ordered Bartubeless. Still very expensive though, and I can't help thinking that honda got this wrong for most of us.
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After going through the same thought process as you, I arrived at the same conclusion and ordered Bartubeless. Still very expensive though, and I can't help thinking that honda got this wrong for most of us.
Do you happen to know what brand are the rims they use? are they aluminum or steel?

same for the hubs, do you have any info?

I have emailed them and hope they shall reply. anyway...
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Do you happen to know what brand are the rims they use? are they aluminum or steel?

same for the hubs, do you have any info?

I have emailed them and hope they shall reply. anyway...
I have ordered my wheels from Rally-Raid (www.rallyraid.co.uk). You can see details of there wheel specifications on their website. I have gone for the19"/17" option. I like the fact that the rims are powder coated instead of anodised.
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For Bartubless there is no need to buy new wheels. It can be applied to the original ones, except they change the front rim to ensure it has a hump. That must be the best value for money from all of the available options.
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Where would you send your wheels to have the Bartubless installed on your rims and what would be the cost. I live in the US and there are no dealers to my knowledge that would do the process. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
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Wheels have to be sent to Italy.

https://www.bartfactory.com/bartubeless-en/?lang=en

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For Bartubless there is no need to buy new wheels. It can be applied to the original ones, except they change the front rim to ensure it has a hump. That must be the best value for money from all of the available options.
Yes, this is true but I'd rather not go that way for 2 reasons:

a. I do not have space to have the bike left withoyt wheels for the time needed to send the wheels to Italy nd back

b. If something would go wrong with the new wheel, I will still have my OE wheels.

Yet, indeed the cost for this option is very tempting...
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I have ordered my wheels from Rally-Raid (www.rallyraid.co.uk). You can see details of there wheel specifications on their website. I have gone for the19"/17" option. I like the fact that the rims are powder coated instead of anodised.
Seen them; I prefer to stick with the 21/18 but they provide only in black while 19/17 they offer also in gold....
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