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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 06-05-2019, 02:13 AM Thread Starter
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Improving brakes feel

For 2 weeks since the summer arrived in Switzerland I have been riding my 2014 Fazer 8 and today going back on the AT, I am shocked and frightened how much more I need
to brake and there is only a 15Kg difference between bikes. I also have been working on my cornering and trail braking riding the Yamaha, but now I'm worried jumping from
on to the other because of the lack of braking and feeling on the Honda.


I read related threads saw some installed braided brake lines, but would anyone have recomended brake pads that have more bite or would I need to change the master cylinder ?
All opinions are welcome, I've never really looked in depth into braking as I never felt the need before, but now I feel it's needed.
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Generally, braided steel brake lines and pads will make a world of difference. Good sources for the lines would be Galfer or Goodridge. For pads, I would check Galfer and EBC. Both make performance oriented HH pads which should give much better feel.
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Not really adding anything to this thread other than the rear brakes on my 2018 feel almost useless...That's my biggest complaint about the bike.
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Generally, braided steel brake lines and pads will make a world of difference. Good sources for the lines would be Galfer or Goodridge. For pads, I would check Galfer and EBC. Both make performance oriented HH pads which should give much better feel.
I know about Goodridge, one of my motorcycle web provider that are good has this, don't know about the quality of the brand !?
https://www.carpimoto.it/en-CH/Bike_...7-with-ABS.htm


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Not really adding anything to this thread other than the rear brakes on my 2018 feel almost useless...That's my biggest complaint about the bike.
I was fine until lately but yeah, the front is spongy and not progressive like on my Yamaha, then the rear is wooden and almost on off, though I don't really worry about it, because I use it mostly in the city and no risks of fall.


It's a bit crazy to realize that my Yamaha that was designed in 2010, with good old Yamaha brakes that you see on older 2004 R1, brakes a lot better...
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A great Oz company for braided brake lines is HEL. https://au.helperformance.com/
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A great Oz company for braided brake lines is HEL. https://au.helperformance.com/

Thanks but, the shipping costs from Oz will be higher than from Goodridge in UK, or Fren tubo in Italy, usually Italy is so close to Switzerland that it's the most efficient !
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I know your feeling!. When I changed from my 2004 Varadero to the AT, I was expecting the brakes to be 100 times better. Turns out they give the same feeling. Decent braking and enough for most situations, but a bit of a "soft" feeling, as if there was not enough bite.
And comparing to Yamaha, I tried the 2019 Tracer 900, and those brakes work! power brakes ofc, but so strong and precise, you can go from 100kmph to 10 and then bring up the back tire and do a stoppie, all with nice smooth action. At some point I'll try the braided lines and different pads to see what it does.
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I know your feeling!. When I changed from my 2004 Varadero to the AT, I was expecting the brakes to be 100 times better. Turns out they give the same feeling. Decent braking and enough for most situations, but a bit of a "soft" feeling, as if there was not enough bite.
And comparing to Yamaha, I tried the 2019 Tracer 900, and those brakes work! power brakes ofc, but so strong and precise, you can go from 100kmph to 10 and then bring up the back tire and do a stoppie, all with nice smooth action. At some point I'll try the braided lines and different pads to see what it does.
You know Yamaha has been using the same calipers for more than 20 years, on many models, the funniest is if you tried the Tracer 900 they are radial mount,
on my Fazer 8 they aren't but it still brakes better than the AT's Radial calipers…

But still it seems to me that the braking was better when I bought it, maybe the lines are dead, I did travel a lot in snow, rain and deserts, I will upgrade to
braided lines !
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Not really adding anything to this thread other than the rear brakes on my 2018 feel almost useless...That's my biggest complaint about the bike.
Have you tried riding downhill on a gravel forest service road standing and used the rear brake?
You'll be very glad it is sensitive enough you can find the edge of traction easily without locking it up - and yes - ride off road with ABS off - you can stop faster.

Brakes on the AT are well balanced, flawless on pavement and awesome on gravel.
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Brakes on the AT are well balanced, flawless on pavement and awesome on gravel.
The 2 last days I almost crashed 2 times in the rear of cars and needed to add a lot of rear brake with front not to crash, so no on pavement the front isn't flawless, I can't brake as short as my Yamaha and I will address this issue as I don't ride enough off-road to keep the sloppy front that's more gravel friendly.


And BTW I ckecked pads and fluid even after 30'000 Km both are fine, so definitely think the front brake lines are crapping out.

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