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05-03-2019 12:16 PM
giaka
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Originally Posted by Petros Galiatsis View Post
Of course it is a subjective issue and everyone have their own opinion. To my view the ATAS is nearly perfect for 2-up travelling.

It is spacious for 2 persons.............
I agree with everything you said. Of course this all depends on the rider and passenger size (me 190 just under 6', her 110 just at 4'10"). My wife and I have done a little moto camping with 400ish mile one day legs on various bike, Concours, ST1300, CBR600F4 (yep two up with bags on a CBR LOL)Versys 650 (again two up with bags) and we are looking forward to many trips on the ATAS. We have a whole 500 miles on it two up already and really enjoy it.

Having said that passenger weight on a tall bike magnifies the negatives of riding two up. I honestly would not want to ride two up with someone over 130 lbs on the back of the Africa Twin.
04-22-2019 02:13 AM
Ted Hughes I suggest maybe looking at an earlier thread titled - How's the AT when riding with a passenger?
04-21-2019 11:58 AM
Petros Galiatsis Of course it is a subjective issue and everyone have their own opinion. To my view the ATAS is nearly perfect for 2-up travelling.

It is spacious for 2 persons
The shape of the saddle is such that the driver and pillion can move during travelling, which helps a lot
The motors has more than adequate torque for fluid and restful driving on roads with continuous tight turns.
It can handle the load of 2 persons plus luggage with ease.
Fully loaded it can travel for as long as you can take it on the highway with speeds quite close to its top speed;
And finally, it is SUPER COMFORTABLE. Both me and my wife find it much more comfortable than even the mighty Varadero.

Well, to be honest here: on the Varadero I had upgraded to HyperPro springs. So, what did I manage with that: I managed to have an adventure bike, with 80+ rear horse power and the suspension of a supermotard. What I lost? all the comfort the Varadero had with its OEM suspension. So, for the very limited cases that I wanted to push the .... mastodon on tight curvy roads, I sacrificed the ability to travel long hrs with minimal if any fatigue.

I will NOT do this mistake with the ATAS.....
04-21-2019 09:42 AM
Motobiker If 2-up touring, in particular had been central to my decision making prior to buying my bike in November, I would not have bought an Africa Twin. Purely my own opinion which might disagree with yours. But everything that makes the bike great (for me) makes it unsuitable. On my bike the pillion seat is superfluous and will be coming off. I'm mindful of the weight restriction for luggage, but that hardly matters as it's highly unlikely I will ever come anywhere close to carrying the weight of the average pillion. (As luggage) Panniers plus a dry-bag across the rear will be more than enough for my needs.
04-21-2019 03:42 AM
black99S I'm 68kg in gaunch. Bike has SWM crash bars, bash plate and alu rack, touratech panier racks.
Even with sag seat properly (+16 clicks on rear) I nearly bottom the stock suspension jumping over some 4" landscape ties.
Definitely the bike needs heavier springs for 2-up.
04-20-2019 04:55 PM
garyh Thanks for the info, Petros. So, if I'm reading right, you find it manageable even loaded up a few kg over the "EU Max Weight Limit." Good to know. (And that's a full 18 kg (40 lbs.) over the "US Weight Limit)."

From what I've seen re. specs for max weight capacity on other Adventure Bikes, it appears the Adventure Sports is a bit on the low side, but I don't think any of them are designed for 2-up riding in the style of "The Long Way Round." For shorter trips, it's doable. But these bikes are more than capable of handling one rider, geared to reasonable max, for long, long rides.

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Originally Posted by Petros Galiatsis View Post
I would say that upgrade is something to seriously consider, BUT, I try to avoid it because I do not want to ruin the comfort of the OEM suspension....
Here, I agree 100%. I too find the OEM suspension just fine. It's a very comfortable bike to ride--can go for hours. Maybe it's an age thing, but I like it a bit on the soft side. And riding around town, in 2nd or 3rd, it feels to me, for all the world, like I'm riding a big Harley sometimes. *Plenty* of low-end torque and power and with that parallel twin with its 270 deg. crank, it even sort of mimics the sound and feel a bit--but in a nice subtle (and not so loud) way.

It is odd that the EU bikes are rated for more weight. Maybe it is just a "legal" thing. What else could it be?

I don't do a lot of 2-up riding - so far. Nor do I carry a lot of weight. I haven't done a very long trip yet. So I am far from an expert; but if I were to gear up heavy or go for a multi-day 2-up trip, I think I'd adjust the front spring preload up too, even if I left everything else alone (compression/ rebound damping). For my current riding, I have yet to do anything but adjust my rear preload to set it for proper sag--and I find the bike handles very well thus--but again, not a lot of 2-up or heavy gear riding for me yet.

Ride Safe, Gary

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04-20-2019 01:42 PM
Petros Galiatsis Regarding the weight allowance; to me it does not make any sense this difference.

If the difference in between the normal AT and the ATAS is due to the extra weight of the ATAS (which is just 10Kg) then there should be a difference in max loading in between the Manual and the DCT model for both version, because there is a 10kg diff in between Manual and DCT anyway.

Regarding the fact that the US models have lower allowed loading capacity the the EU: it must be US legalisation maybe that allow less load? I really do not know.

Regarding the question for 2-up, full load travelling:

I weight 94kg, my wife is 54kg; this is 148kg. I have accessories that must be exceeding 10kg: Center stand, top case rack, full Outback crash bars. So I am at 158-160kg .... our gear must be another +10kg (helmets, winter jackets, pants, boots etc).

So, without any panniers and luggage yet, we have reached 170kg easily.

3 cases must be around 13kg alright. Each Honda side case is some 4kg and my top case is the Givi Maxia 4 which must be close to 5+ kg.

Up to now, we are at a total of 183 kg.

Well, I have never weighted our actual luggage, but I would say that it could be close to 15kg, depending the travel duration.

How the bikes handles? if you go at a logical pace while on b-roads with tight turns, there is no issue. If you push it, or if the road has bumps, then the bike is not that happy. All those with FULL preload setting. BUT I have not yet start playing with the rest adjustments; I guess that the compression dampening setting should also play a role.

I would say that upgrade is something to seriously consider, BUT, I try to avoid it because I do not want to ruin the comfort of the OEM suspension....
04-20-2019 09:44 AM
garyh
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Originally Posted by black99S View Post
The ATAS is heavier. Gross Vehicle weight should be the same for both. GVW - Bike weight = load capacity
Right, but Petros' manual also shows the ATAS. (And the standard). And his numbers are higher.

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04-20-2019 12:09 AM
black99S
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Originally Posted by garyh View Post
BTW - My US manual shows 397 lbs (180 kg) max weight for the ATAS. For the CRF1000A/D it shows 437 lbs. (198 kg). What gives?
Gary...
The ATAS is heavier. Gross Vehicle weight should be the same for both. GVW - Bike weight = load capacity
04-19-2019 01:38 PM
garyh
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Originally Posted by black99S View Post
The suspension with stock springs will be near fully collapsed with that weight.
That's got to be so true.

I have my ATAS rear preload set to 24 clicks up for proper rear sag for my weight plus add-ons (rider weight in gear + lower crash bars + panniers (empty) and rack + handlebar guards + center stand).

Max preload is around 35, manual says. That leaves me just 11 more clicks up for a passenger.

With my 110 lb. wife on back, maybe, just maybe, we get close to proper sag with preload maxed out. But I doubt it and that would be with empty panns. Packed up for a trip? Shee-ite!

Has anyone gone 2-up and loaded on a Twin for days? Your experiences? I can't imagine the bike isn't riding real low at the back.

BTW - My US manual shows 397 lbs (180 kg) max weight for the ATAS. For the CRF1000A/D it shows 437 lbs. (198 kg). What gives?

Gary

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