Honda CRF1000L Africa Twin Forum - Reply to Topic
Thread: Load bearing capacity advebture sports Reply to Thread
Title:
Message:
Trackback:
Send Trackbacks to (Separate multiple URLs with spaces) :
Post Icons
You may choose an icon for your message from the following list:
 

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Honda CRF1000L Africa Twin Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










  Additional Options
Miscellaneous Options

  Topic Review (Newest First)
07-13-2019 11:16 PM
Shaba1 That 397lbs/180kg weight limit worries me. The primary reason that I want to buy an ATAS/DCT is for motorcycle camping 2 up. I would be joy joy riding around town and doing the occasional weekend solo trip to a lake or campground. But mostly 70 percent of the time I would be on city streets or highway tarmac.

But every couple of months I would want to take a two up weekend camping trip with the girlfriend. Now with me at 210lbs/95kg and her at 140-160lbs/64-73kg( no comments guys) that would put us as max of 370lbs/167kg butt naked. Leaving only 37lbs/17kg left over for gear/panniers/food/tents e.t.c That does not seem like too much considering that the Givi top case and SW-motech panniers that I want to buy weigh 81lbs/37kg totally empty.

Any advise?
07-05-2019 12:29 AM
SkipD
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B View Post
Cheers Skip....will you be the 'Skippy' who is two up RTW at the moment? If so, enjoying your travels on ADVRider...if not...as you were
No that wont be me.
06-28-2019 12:31 PM
Dave B Cheers Skip....will you be the 'Skippy' who is two up RTW at the moment? If so, enjoying your travels on ADVRider...if not...as you were
06-28-2019 02:26 AM
Petros Galiatsis
Quote:
Originally Posted by SkipD View Post
And for those of you who are riding loaded like this you need to be very carful of the rear wheel bearings. You can upgrade the springs and shock to handle the load and damping requirements (and make the bike perform really well remember your rider sag fully loaded needs to be between 65-70mm) but you might find the rear bearings are failing around 30,000km. There is an upgrade that you can do for the right side bearing (seems to be the one failing) . You can install a sealed double row 4204(instead of a stock 6204), you also need to replace the seal (with # 106919N-509) wiper with a 5mm one and shorten the spacer by 3mm.
Good point SkipD! thanks for the advice.

I usually travel that loaded 2 or 3 times per year, for less than 800km each time (remember, Greece is a small country ) and no dirt included, still, when the time comes to change bearings, I will have this recommendation noted.
06-27-2019 11:42 PM
SkipD
Quote:
Originally Posted by Petros Galiatsis View Post
Regarding the weight allowance; to me it does not make any sense this difference.

If the difference in between the normal AT and the ATAS is due to the extra weight of the ATAS (which is just 10Kg) then there should be a difference in max loading in between the Manual and the DCT model for both version, because there is a 10kg diff in between Manual and DCT anyway.

Regarding the fact that the US models have lower allowed loading capacity the the EU: it must be US legalisation maybe that allow less load? I really do not know.

Regarding the question for 2-up, full load travelling:

I weight 94kg, my wife is 54kg; this is 148kg. I have accessories that must be exceeding 10kg: Center stand, top case rack, full Outback crash bars. So I am at 158-160kg .... our gear must be another +10kg (helmets, winter jackets, pants, boots etc).

So, without any panniers and luggage yet, we have reached 170kg easily.

3 cases must be around 13kg alright. Each Honda side case is some 4kg and my top case is the Givi Maxia 4 which must be close to 5+ kg.

Up to now, we are at a total of 183 kg.

Well, I have never weighted our actual luggage, but I would say that it could be close to 15kg, depending the travel duration.

How the bikes handles? if you go at a logical pace while on b-roads with tight turns, there is no issue. If you push it, or if the road has bumps, then the bike is not that happy. All those with FULL preload setting. BUT I have not yet start playing with the rest adjustments; I guess that the compression dampening setting should also play a role.

I would say that upgrade is something to seriously consider, BUT, I try to avoid it because I do not want to ruin the comfort of the OEM suspension....

And for those of you who are riding loaded like this you need to be very carful of the rear wheel bearings. You can upgrade the springs and shock to handle the load and damping requirements (and make the bike perform really well remember your rider sag fully loaded needs to be between 65-70mm) but you might find the rear bearings are failing around 30,000km. There is an upgrade that you can do for the right side bearing (seems to be the one failing) . You can install a sealed double row 4204(instead of a stock 6204), you also need to replace the seal (with # 106919N-509) wiper with a 5mm one and shorten the spacer by 3mm.
06-27-2019 10:48 PM
Shaba1 Has anyone had any problems riding two up with gear on the road. Obviously you would not want to ride two up for very far on the dirt and not very fast either.
05-03-2019 12:16 PM
giaka
Quote:
Originally Posted by Petros Galiatsis View Post
Of course it is a subjective issue and everyone have their own opinion. To my view the ATAS is nearly perfect for 2-up travelling.

It is spacious for 2 persons.............
I agree with everything you said. Of course this all depends on the rider and passenger size (me 190 just under 6', her 110 just at 4'10"). My wife and I have done a little moto camping with 400ish mile one day legs on various bike, Concours, ST1300, CBR600F4 (yep two up with bags on a CBR LOL)Versys 650 (again two up with bags) and we are looking forward to many trips on the ATAS. We have a whole 500 miles on it two up already and really enjoy it.

Having said that passenger weight on a tall bike magnifies the negatives of riding two up. I honestly would not want to ride two up with someone over 130 lbs on the back of the Africa Twin.
04-22-2019 02:13 AM
Ted Hughes I suggest maybe looking at an earlier thread titled - How's the AT when riding with a passenger?
04-21-2019 11:58 AM
Petros Galiatsis Of course it is a subjective issue and everyone have their own opinion. To my view the ATAS is nearly perfect for 2-up travelling.

It is spacious for 2 persons
The shape of the saddle is such that the driver and pillion can move during travelling, which helps a lot
The motors has more than adequate torque for fluid and restful driving on roads with continuous tight turns.
It can handle the load of 2 persons plus luggage with ease.
Fully loaded it can travel for as long as you can take it on the highway with speeds quite close to its top speed;
And finally, it is SUPER COMFORTABLE. Both me and my wife find it much more comfortable than even the mighty Varadero.

Well, to be honest here: on the Varadero I had upgraded to HyperPro springs. So, what did I manage with that: I managed to have an adventure bike, with 80+ rear horse power and the suspension of a supermotard. What I lost? all the comfort the Varadero had with its OEM suspension. So, for the very limited cases that I wanted to push the .... mastodon on tight curvy roads, I sacrificed the ability to travel long hrs with minimal if any fatigue.

I will NOT do this mistake with the ATAS.....
04-21-2019 09:42 AM
Motobiker If 2-up touring, in particular had been central to my decision making prior to buying my bike in November, I would not have bought an Africa Twin. Purely my own opinion which might disagree with yours. But everything that makes the bike great (for me) makes it unsuitable. On my bike the pillion seat is superfluous and will be coming off. I'm mindful of the weight restriction for luggage, but that hardly matters as it's highly unlikely I will ever come anywhere close to carrying the weight of the average pillion. (As luggage) Panniers plus a dry-bag across the rear will be more than enough for my needs.
This thread has more than 10 replies. Click here to review the whole thread.

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome