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08-17-2019 03:44 AM
Red Maverick
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What were some of the things that you didn't like on the VFR1200X? I've added that and the versys 1000 to the list so far.

Its the torque grunt I loved, fantastic


But its very heavy to push around on the ground


Did not like suspension, changed it, better but not smooth, pillion complains.


Its a bit clunky too, not a mice smooth bike. Some vibes through the bars too


It have had it 4 years and 30000 miles, just got a good deal to trade
08-16-2019 09:30 PM
bradr I'm avoiding Ducati and BMW based on some the reliability reports that I've read.


I've ridden the Ducati ST3 (very nice) and drooled over the Multi Strada.
08-16-2019 09:23 PM
bradr
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Originally Posted by Red Maverick View Post
I use a ST1300 for Blood Running, owned a VRF1200X for 4 years and trding it in for a new ATAS

I hope I dont find too many cons on the new ATAS, but the 1200x had too many in the end
What were some of the things that you didn't like on the VFR1200X? I've added that and the versys 1000 to the list so far.
08-16-2019 04:26 PM
DiscoStu Gonna jump into the fray here. I love my 17 manual AT and am a big advocate of the bike. That said based on what I'm reading have you considered the new 2020 BMW R 1250 RS (Sport Tourer)? That thing looks cool. I'm interested in it to the point I'm even going to arrange a test ride. I'd still keep my AT of course if I took the plunge......
08-16-2019 03:11 PM
nealio I ride two up on my AT. I put the comfort foot pegs on forthe passenger and have a Schad top box. My wife loves it! She likes that the passengerseat is in a higher position which gives her better visibility.










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Hi guys,


I'm a long time ST1300 rider and use it for commuting (secondary) but more important going on riding trips with my wife. Recently my trusty and reliable ST1300 has been in an accident and thus I am looking to replace it with something. The used prices for ST1300s in my area are ridiculous to the point that a 9 year old ST with 80K on the clock goes for nearly the cost of a new Africa Twin out the door.


At this point we're looking at the FJR1300, Super Tenere, Africa Twin, VFR1200, Vstrom and Fazer 900 GT (not in any order.)



Anyone here in a similar boat going from an ST1300 to the Africa twin and touring with a passenger? What are the things they complain about for comfort?


At this time, the Africa twin is very well priced for us in comparison to everything else we are looking at. The Africa twin seems like it can carry more than the ST as well it seems depending on if you get the Adventure Sports model or not.


Thank you for any feedback.
08-15-2019 08:32 AM
Grizzly
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"" The used prices for ST1300s in my area are ridiculous to the point that a 9 year old ST with 80K on the clock goes for nearly the cost of a new Africa Twin out the door.""


Jaysus ! where do you live ?
For real! IN the states, I find them all day long for less than $5k well outfitted and low miles.
08-15-2019 07:49 AM
Speedo007 Suspensions will be more comfortable than the ST1300. I tried a FJR1300 and great bike, but the kind of inline 4, that unless youre on cruise control all the time, its hard not to ride way above speed limits. Also at 6'1" wasnt the most comfortable bike for me.


I think for what you want to do, I'd give the Tenere 1200 ES a try. That electronic suspension is really awesome. In comfort mode, it will soak up the worst of roads no problem, and you can still stiffen it up to have fun in the twisties. Upright position, very roomy. Drive shaft, cruise control, heated grips, etc.


The only thing that prevented me from buying one was the engine. Its got plenty go, but just a bit boring. The Africa has less power, but it still power wheelies in 1st gear and even 2nd gear if you shut the throttle and re-open. Feels lighter than it's 500lbs would suggest but it doesnt have cruise control, or heated grips, or electronic suspensions... Overall my gf 120lbs, 5'4" loves it. But I still think if the main objective is 2 up touring, a Tenere 1200 ES would be my pick, any day.
08-14-2019 11:28 PM
Check6 Just for giggles, I took my wife out on the AT for about 20 miles tonight. Not much of a test, but several things came up during the ride...

There isn't nearly the room for the passenger as there is on the ST. My wife is 5'3", 115 lbs. She didn't like being tucked right up against me or back on the rack.

The AT does not have the pulling power of the ST when 2 up. It has plenty of power, but we ride the mountains a lot (not today) and I believe we'd be a little down on the ability that the ST had.

In all, my wife liked the ST better, but didn't dislike the AT. Her words... "This one's all yours. I'll stick with the back of the Harley." When I asked her about comfort between the AT and the ST she said she liked the suspension on the AT better, but didn't like the lack of room for "her own space" on the AT.

So, there's all that. Take it for what it's worth, but she's been on the back of almost all my bikes for the last 36 years and has a lot of miles under her butt. Full disclosure: She was spoiled for many years with her Barco Lounger seat on my Electra Glides.

Again, I'm not knocking the AT, I love it for what it does for me and for the riding I do on it. That riding is going to be about 60% pavement and 40% off road. I just don't think, **** I know I wouldn't want to use it for LD 2 UP. It's my bike. All mine. With no chatter from the back seat.
08-14-2019 07:24 PM
Haket "" The used prices for ST1300s in my area are ridiculous to the point that a 9 year old ST with 80K on the clock goes for nearly the cost of a new Africa Twin out the door.""


Jaysus ! where do you live ?
08-14-2019 03:40 PM
Red Maverick I use a ST1300 for Blood Running, owned a VRF1200X for 4 years and trding it in for a new ATAS


They all have their different pros and cons


I hope I dont find too many cons on the new ATAS, but the 1200x had too many in the end


The ST1300 does most things very well
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