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Has your 2018-2020+ Africa Twin Adventure Sports experienced fueling/idling/stalling/loss of power?

  • Yes. I have had the dealership/Honda resolve the issue(s) under warranty at no cost.

  • Yes. The dealership resolved it for me, but my warranty was expired and I had to pay out of pocket

  • Yes. I have had these issues, but resolved the problem on my own and Honda is not aware.

  • No. I have not had these issues, but I took precautionary measured (Guglatech Filter, etc.)

  • No. But I am concerned that I will have this issue down the road.

  • I have contacted Honda about my concerns

  • I have filed a Safety Defect Report with NHTSA or other regulatory agency per Owners Manual


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In Portugal we only have 95 or 98 octane, already did 2000km and never notice any low power or weird thing, and have some friends with some AT with 3-4 years and never saw them complaining about any problem with trottle,

but lets be honest, we cant find good quality petrol if we decide to go around the world, so Honda need to be sure an AT can run with poor quality petrol, just my opinion
Keep in mind that the issue only affects the Adventure Sports edition with the larger tank, not the standard AT. If your friends have AT's that are 3-4 years old I am assuming them to be the standard AT. They will not have the issue. You didn't mention which version you have, but if the standard AT, you won't have to worry.
 

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Keep in mind that the issue only affects the Adventure Sports edition with the larger tank, not the standard AT. If your friends have AT's that are 3-4 years old I am assuming them to be the standard AT. They will not have the issue. You didn't mention which version you have, but if the standard AT, you won't have to worry.
Re my fuel reference: the offending fuel here in Oz is a 98RON eg, the issue used to be this fuel if left to age, would precipitate out the additives as a stringy gel substance, which could then cause blockages in for eg filters. In go kart world we used to avoid using this fuel. In standard vehicles if the fuel is fresh and burnt, no problems. So motto is: Ride often!
 

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Re my fuel reference: the offending fuel here in Oz is a 98RON eg, the issue used to be this fuel if left to age, would precipitate out the additives as a stringy gel substance, which could then cause blockages in for eg filters. In go kart world we used to avoid using this fuel. In standard vehicles if the fuel is fresh and burnt, no problems. So motto is: Ride often!
Here in North America some use gasoline preservative or stabilizer. There are many variations of the formulation, however, of the many things they do, one is the reduction rate of dormant fuel aging, a common situation in cold winter regions. In the past decade or more I have also found top brand gasoline easily survives through the winter season ready to be consumed in the frolicking spring time.
 

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I am having the same issues on my crf1100 Adv Sports. I had started a thread a while back about stalling issues. Quick blip of the throttle on a down shift rev match and it would "flame out" this started within the first couple hundred miles on the bike. with about 2,000mile on it i now have no power no matter how much throttle i give it. Took it to the dealer and they said it was bad fuel. When i picked it up i couldn't get it out of the parking lot without it flaming out twice. I escalated the issue and my dealer got Honda to come out to at look at it. Honda rep was able to re create this flame out twice. The rep also stated he believed the tank was flaking! Hondas solution is new fuel pump and to clean the tank. Im sensing a pattern here!! pump just came in today. I will update once i get it scheduled in for repair after reading of all the issues you guys are having and dealing with it on my own i am fucking bullshit. i spent almost 20k cash on this bike and it infuriates me this is happening. if this new pump doesn't solve my issue bikes getting traded in for a KTM asap. I will file a claim via the link provided. thanks guys
 

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I am having the same issues on my crf1100 Adv Sports. I had started a thread a while back about stalling issues. Quick blip of the throttle on a down shift rev match and it would "flame out" this started within the first couple hundred miles on the bike. with about 2,000mile on it i now have no power no matter how much throttle i give it. Took it to the dealer and they said it was bad fuel. When i picked it up i couldn't get it out of the parking lot without it flaming out twice. I escalated the issue and my dealer got Honda to come out to at look at it. Honda rep was able to re create this flame out twice. The rep also stated he believed the tank was flaking! Hondas solution is new fuel pump and to clean the tank. Im sensing a pattern here!! pump just came in today. I will update once i get it scheduled in for repair after reading of all the issues you guys are having and dealing with it on my own i am fucking bullshit. i spent almost 20k cash on this bike and it infuriates me this is happening. if this new pump doesn't solve my issue bikes getting traded in for a KTM asap. I will file a claim via the link provided. thanks guys
There is no excuse for the premium invested in the CRF1100 AS.

Back in 1994, Saturn out of Spring Hill, TN offered every buyer of a new Saturn car a 30 day or 1500 mile money back guarantee if they were not satisfied. Bring back companies like Saturn.
 

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I am having the same issues on my crf1100 Adv Sports. I had started a thread a while back about stalling issues. Quick blip of the throttle on a down shift rev match and it would "flame out" this started within the first couple hundred miles on the bike. with about 2,000mile on it i now have no power no matter how much throttle i give it. Took it to the dealer and they said it was bad fuel. When i picked it up i couldn't get it out of the parking lot without it flaming out twice. I escalated the issue and my dealer got Honda to come out to at look at it. Honda rep was able to re create this flame out twice. The rep also stated he believed the tank was flaking! Hondas solution is new fuel pump and to clean the tank. Im sensing a pattern here!! pump just came in today. I will update once i get it scheduled in for repair after reading of all the issues you guys are having and dealing with it on my own i am fucking bullshit. i spent almost 20k cash on this bike and it infuriates me this is happening. if this new pump doesn't solve my issue bikes getting traded in for a KTM asap. I will file a claim via the link provided. thanks guys
I am having the same issues on my crf1100 Adv Sports. I had started a thread a while back about stalling issues. Quick blip of the throttle on a down shift rev match and it would "flame out" this started within the first couple hundred miles on the bike. with about 2,000mile on it i now have no power no matter how much throttle i give it. Took it to the dealer and they said it was bad fuel. When i picked it up i couldn't get it out of the parking lot without it flaming out twice. I escalated the issue and my dealer got Honda to come out to at look at it. Honda rep was able to re create this flame out twice. The rep also stated he believed the tank was flaking! Hondas solution is new fuel pump and to clean the tank. Im sensing a pattern here!! pump just came in today. I will update once i get it scheduled in for repair after reading of all the issues you guys are having and dealing with it on my own i am fucking bullshit. i spent almost 20k cash on this bike and it infuriates me this is happening. if this new pump doesn't solve my issue bikes getting traded in for a KTM asap. I will file a claim via the link provided. thanks guys
just hope your dealer is better than mine. they half assed attached the side panels broke off a screw on the tank ring on mine when it was in the shop for the same issue.. I will be checking my tank in a few days after I ride the bike some to see whats in there....and post the results....Not holding my breath though. I will do the repair myself if its needed again. as far as trading hope you can come out on that they prob only want to offer 13 to 14k on a trade. and I doubt honda will offer anything to anyone besides doing what they are doing now.. maybe a new tank which is what should happen...down the road if they can not solve the problem by cleaning them . just my thought on this. but good luck to you and all of us with this issue...hope all our problems are solved..Ride Safe.
 

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I am having the same issues on my crf1100 Adv Sports. I had started a thread a while back about stalling issues. Quick blip of the throttle on a down shift rev match and it would "flame out" this started within the first couple hundred miles on the bike. with about 2,000mile on it i now have no power no matter how much throttle i give it. Took it to the dealer and they said it was bad fuel. When i picked it up i couldn't get it out of the parking lot without it flaming out twice. I escalated the issue and my dealer got Honda to come out to at look at it. Honda rep was able to re create this flame out twice. The rep also stated he believed the tank was flaking! Hondas solution is new fuel pump and to clean the tank. Im sensing a pattern here!! pump just came in today. I will update once i get it scheduled in for repair after reading of all the issues you guys are having and dealing with it on my own i am fucking bullshit. i spent almost 20k cash on this bike and it infuriates me this is happening. if this new pump doesn't solve my issue bikes getting traded in for a KTM asap. I will file a claim via the link provided. thanks guys
I hear you. Mine has been in twice for the tank scrub, fuel pump and gasket, both fuel injectors replaced.

I love my bike, but if it happens a 3rd time I am filing a Magnuson-Moss claim. I am tired of the "We have never had one come back twice," "we have definitely never had one come back a 3rd time" nonsense.

Time will tell. Had to do a pass today and it was a pucker moment when it shouldn't have been, because I don't trust it anymore.

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... maybe a new tank which is what should happen...down the road if they can not solve the problem by cleaning them . just my thought on this. but good luck to you and all of us with this issue...hope all our problems are solved..Ride Safe.
The problem with a new tank is that unless they change the manufacturing process, putting a new tank on is just kicking the can down the road. People who have had their tanks replaced have eventually had the same thing occur. Honda777 on this forum can attest to that.

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I hear you. Mine has been in twice for the tank scrub, fuel pump and gasket, both fuel injectors replaced.

I love my bike, but if it happens a 3rd time I am filing a Magnuson-Moss claim. I am tired of the "We have never had one come back twice," "we have definitely never had one come back a 3rd time" nonsense.

Time will tell. Had to do a pass today and it was a pucker moment when it shouldn't have been, because I don't trust it anymore.
Dang. Gonna miss you should you decide to eject the AT. :(

Lets hope your deal is complete.
 

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Dang. Gonna miss you should you decide to eject the AT. :(

Lets hope your deal is complete.
I am keeping my fingers crossed. But if happens a 3rd time they can buy it back. It isn't worth the risk. Every time I go to pass I wonder "Is it going to go or is it going to sputter.

Some passes as you know are almost like a game of chicken with the on-comming traffic. You do them because when the bike is working properly, it's fast and the pass is effortless. But if the bike suddenly begins to sputter and decelerate, the routine pass becomes not so routine and I am never sure what to expect when I drop down a gear or two and go for it.

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Alas my 16 plate dct and i were halfway through a ride out today and like normal stopped off at local beauty spot only to find we were not riding home as after calling local honda dealer my fuel pump is kaput does anyone know if there is a specific pump for a specific bike or is it one size fits all? Thanks
 

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The problem with a new tank is that unless they change the manufacturing process, putting a new tank on is just kicking the can down the road. People who have had their tanks replaced have eventually had the same thing occur. Honda777 on this forum can attest to that.

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The problem with a new tank is that unless they change the manufacturing process, putting a new tank on is just kicking the can down the road. People who have had their tanks replaced have eventually had the same thing occur. Honda777 on this forum can attest to that.

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guess I should have added .....new tank WITH new manufacturing process in my statement..we all know just swapping a tank for another with the same issue fixes nothing...I figured everyone knew what I meant....
 

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guess I should have added .....new tank WITH new manufacturing process in my statement..we all know just swapping a tank for another with the same issue fixes nothing...I figured everyone knew what I meant....
Well, I wasn't sure because there have been a lot of folks in various forums and FB groups who have been saying they are going to ask Honda to swap the tank. I have also seen reports from folks who have said their dealer swapped the tank. But of course being in year 3 of the issue there is no evidence that Honda has done anything to change the manufacturing process. I wouldn't be surprised if we find it is unchanged for 2021 models unless it becomes part of a recall.

So far at least, Honda seems content to let their customers and dealers deal with the issue in the tanks that fail.

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Alas my 16 plate dct and i were halfway through a ride out today and like normal stopped off at local beauty spot only to find we were not riding home as after calling local honda dealer my fuel pump is kaput does anyone know if there is a specific pump for a specific bike or is it one size fits all? Thanks
I was just looking into the cost of a fuel pump for the CRF1000 because I just replaced one on my Toyota Corolla due to being the habitual type to run the tank near empty before filling. What I found out is that anytime the tank level gets lower than the fuel pump the pumps' lifespan will be shortened because the gasoline acts as the coolant for the fuel pump motor. I was looking at the cost of a new fuel pump and it's description for the 2017 CRF1000 is PUMP UNIT, FUEL (MSDS) 16700-MJP-G52, cost $515.44 from an online parts supplier. Prices may very, but going forward I am going to stop running the tank on my CRF dry as well to help preserve the life of the fuel pump. I hope this helps.
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It appears as though the original part for the 2016 models (16700-MJP-G51) was superseded by 167-MJP-G52 that R. Buck references.

I did find a listing from a parts wholesaler who has the pump on sale, originally listed at the referenced $515.44 marked down to $360.03. Still not cheap, but a savings of $155.41.

I know nothing about this seller, but will pass it on if you want to inquire:


Edit: Just noticed the OP is located in the UK. Not sure that savings would help much.

Does anyone have any info on these low-cost replacement pumps?
 

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I am without my bike (1200 miles on the clock) it’s been in the shop for 3 weeks I am considering a small claims case with Honda and pop them for 10K I bet they will not even show up and will get a default judgment. Possibly tell the dealership their next or buy it back this is frustrating. Lemmon law is too protracted and not as easy.
 

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I have 2019 ATAS , 3000 miles, took it in for service yesterday and mentioned the misfire issue,and that I thought it might be caused by a blocked fuel filter.
They said they checked on the Honda database and there was no mention of tank problems/blocked filter issues.
Today I was out riding and it got a lot worse, it won’t rev out cleanly. It’s a DCT and if you hold the throttle wide open in any gear it starts spluttering at around 6000 revs which is too low for the DCT to change up a gear, so it just sits there at 6000 revs spluttering. This was whilst overtaking a car!! Dangerous!
So I went straight back to the Honda dealer and their mechanic took it for a test ride and confirmed the fault. So it’s now with them to sort out!
Shame they didn’t take it seriously yesterday when it was in for a service!
 

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Hard to imagine that there is nothing about in the Honda database. They are well aware of it based on my discussions with the rep from American Honda and have been contacted by NHSTA based on what the specialist I spoke with had told me. It is bad enough that there isn't yet a recall, but to not even have mention of it in their database when Honda is in year 3 of the problem? Wow.

Edit: And you are correct. It is freaking dangerous.
 
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