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It's like taking a snorring wife. You knew it but still... :) sooner or later it grows to an elephant or not :)

There are no ideal electrical device, but some quirks are just... pointless and annoying. But without this warning, maybe I would be annoyed by slow bootup, carplay disconnect or week suspension or wind protection or anything else, so maybe it's a good feature :-D
Interestingly, my wife stopped snoring a bit after retiring. Less Sress, more rest.

But, as far as boot time goes, you need to think back to Win 3.1 and how long that took. And, at least for the first start you want to give the bike a minute or 2 to warm up. Having said all that, I don’t have an AT yet.
 

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Interestingly, my wife stopped snoring a bit after retiring. Less Sress, more rest.

But, as far as boot time goes, you need to think back to Win 3.1 and how long that took. And, at least for the first start you want to give the bike a minute or 2 to warm up. Having said all that, I don’t have an AT yet.
Does boot time ever get any better? The computers get faster processors, more memory and larger hard drives. They also get operating systems which require more and more memory and storage. Then add all the programs that are added to the start up. Sometimes it still seems like forever and a day before the computer can do anything useful. Same thing for many other electronic devices.
 

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Does boot time ever get any better? The computers get faster processors, more memory and larger hard drives. They also get operating systems which require more and more memory and storage. Then add all the programs that are added to the start up. Sometimes it still seems like forever and a day before the computer can do anything useful. Same thing for many other electronic devices.
Biggest change for me was to go to SSID. At a minimum, for the O/S / Startup. I find startup to be a lot faster now (Win 10 & Win 8 systems).
 

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Does boot time ever get any better? The computers get faster processors, more memory and larger hard drives. They also get operating systems which require more and more memory and storage. Then add all the programs that are added to the start up. Sometimes it still seems like forever and a day before the computer can do anything useful. Same thing for many other electronic devices.
It does actually, and more set-up is done than ever before. I think maybe the issue here might be Honda selected a processor that was lower-power and cheaper. The way the operating system is loaded might be another factor why the boot time is long (e.g. don't know for sure, but they might be decrypting the run-time code on-the-fly into memory and then running it).
 

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2020 ATAS ES DCT. Bought in June and will reach 8,000 miles this weekend.

(EDIT: This reads like a review, but I'm trying to highlight "problems areas" that I've seen comments about on the site.)

Tank is so far so good. I stick to non-ethanol. Don't know if there is a correlation there or not. Mileage is better, regardless, compared to ethanol. Range is 250-350 depending on my throttle work. Like the DTE feature. Have not validated that to dead empty yet.

Dirt FWIW: Compared to my VFR12X it is very off-road capable. Compared to my BMW R1150GS & R1200GS it is more off-road capable. Compared to my F800GS it is more off-road capable but by a smaller margin. Compared to my skill it is more off-road capable. It's big and heavy (relative to actual dirt bikes) and doesn't care where I ride. Caveat- not a single tracker so reason to go there. Have had it turtle in sand though....o_O Even that was fun. Love the 270 crank signature.

DCT. LOVE IT. If you don't, go with God. As for me an mine, we ride DCT. My advice is truly learn it before your knock it. But if you still have to have a clutch, you're in luck, you can.

Electronic Suspension. Works great. It's the first stock suspension in 20 years that I don't immediately think about "upgrading". I'm 6'2" and 225lbs. It performs better than all OEMs I've owned and as good as the Ohlins/Touratechs/Adriannis that I've pitched on other machines. MTBF no idea. It will cost me on the back end at some point I expect.

Value. meh...the bike makes me smile, therefore worth it.

Problems. I'm trying to decide if I have a constant low power setting on the heated grips but not enough to bother with a temp gun or dealer visit.

Likes to chug. Likes to blitz. Slower than the v4 (thankfully). Fast enough for travel and traffic. Quick to 105MPH but ponderous to go higher a 1MPH increments. Have not redlined it so do not know the top end. This is all with OEM bags on.

Bags. OEM (Givi Trekkers). Like them. Have used Jesse, TT, Mermite Cans, Shad, Hepco Becker so have seen a few. These work.

Electronics. Big learning curve for how to dial it in to muscle memory. I'm still working on it. Overall, I like the capability to adjust performance using all the various settings. It becomes more intuitive to ride every time I go out.

I can hum this tune all day but hope this gives you enough perspective from my point of view to be of use.

Happy hunting!
Me too...
 

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Probably did my last ride this year and safety warning screen does NOT come off by itself. Drove a few kilometers, but all I could see on the big screen was that stupid warning.
This is the thing we have to learn to live with. Or... Maybe winter time is for some diy time of some sort of relay to simulate ok button press :)
 

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Probably did my last ride this year and safety warning screen does NOT come off by itself. Drove a few kilometers, but all I could see on the big screen was that stupid warning.
This is the thing we have to learn to live with. Or... Maybe winter time is for some diy time of some sort of relay to simulate ok button press :)

Weird....I use the User 1 and User 2 ride modes cause I set them up for my liking and my warning screen goes away all by itself - no need to touch the screen!
 

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The boot time of the honda screen is not bad. But due stupid regulations Honda must show all safety warnings this must be done as first screen. I have same in car it starts-up with the logo of LR then when I go in reverse it shows a waring in screen with lot of bla bla then you to wait until screen is empty then you have good view. This all made by officers who think that we are stupid. I want to have the choice to disable this kind of screens also the logo of honda I know I am siting on a honda and not on a Solex.
 

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The boot time of the honda screen is not bad. But due stupid regulations Honda must show all safety warnings this must be done as first screen. I have same in car it starts-up with the logo of LR then when I go in reverse it shows a waring in screen with lot of bla bla then you to wait until screen is empty then you have good view. This all made by officers who think that we are stupid. I want to have the choice to disable this kind of screens also the logo of honda I know I am siting on a honda and not on a Solex.
Sadly, and quite annoyingly, regulatory bodies have reason that in aggregate, we are acting "more stupid" and technology is ironically the blame. Some of us know how to use technology properly, while others it is some sort of lazy-easy heroin.
 

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Looking to see what kinds of problems folks are having with the new AT. I've read a little bit about the fuel tank problem although I'm not up to speed on what is happening. But, I'm wondering whether folks are experiencing any other issues that I should be aware of???

Planning to purchase either a 2020 or 2021 in the Spring.

Thanks.
There does seem to be a problem with the welds inside the tank flaking particles to the inside of the tank. This can ruin the fuel pump and injectors, worse case. I am sure Honda knows about it, rumor has it they will announce some sort of fix/recall in the spring. ?? Idk.. this has not happened to all bikes, some have gone thousands of miles, no problem. I am still researching.

the fix now seems to be to take the tank off, rinse it out to free of particles and install a Guglatech pump filter and pre-filter. Looks pretty solid. Not too expensive, but a pain to install. Might be worth as an insurance policy not to have your power go flat hundreds of miles from home.
700miles on my 2020 ATAS no problems
 

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Sadly, and quite annoyingly, regulatory bodies have reason that in aggregate, we are acting "more stupid" and technology is ironically the blame. Some of us know how to use technology properly, while others it is some sort of lazy-easy heroin.
Sadly, that is too close to the truth and in general the public is proving it. If the calculator on some of the younger generations' cell phone says 1+1+1=6, they would believe it without question. ABS, traction control, stability control among other electronic safety systems are great and valuable supplements to proper driver training. Unfortunately some groups seem to be pushing these features as substitutes for proper driver training. I have seen some of what it takes to obtain a driver's license in the U.K., Germany, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. Unfortunately, many drivers in Ontario, Canada would fail driving test miserably in those jurisdictions. As a driver it is scary to think what the other driver may be like, as a motorcyclists, even more so.
 

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Sadly, that is too close to the truth and in general the public is proving it. If the calculator on some of the younger generations' cell phone says 1+1+1=6, they would believe it without question. ABS, traction control, stability control among other electronic safety systems are great and valuable supplements to proper driver training. Unfortunately some groups seem to be pushing these features as substitutes for proper driver training. I have seen some of what it takes to obtain a driver's license in the U.K., Germany, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. Unfortunately, many drivers in Ontario, Canada would fail driving test miserably in those jurisdictions. As a driver it is scary to think what the other driver may be like, as a motorcyclists, even more so.
My car doesn't have a backup camera. It was a year before the feature basically went "commodity".

So when someone learned that, they were quite surprised, overwhelmed almost, " ... I wouldn't drive that car ... ". :rolleyes:

(grumble)

Anyway, good shoulder check upbringing in cage or motorcycle happens whether there is a camera in the cage I am driving or not. One person asked, "What are you doing?" I responded, "I am checking my blind spots before I back out". Like, really?
 

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I had a 2017 crf 1000 and bought a 2020 crf L1 in July. They look the same but they are not. 2020 feels like have more power in low rpms, a little narrower, I feel like driving a small and light bike in the city traffic. 2020 is better in commuting. My biggest problem in the 2017 was the passing light switch. I always had and will have honda bikes. I already have a cbr 1100 and the passing swith is under your left hands index finger. But in 2017 the switch is torque control :mad:. Riding one day my Cbr and the other day Crf was a torture for me. İn 2020 the passing switch is again in place where it belongs. :love: I always had problems with the charging system (mostly R/R) in my hondas, so I always install a voltmeter, in 2020 there is a build in voltmeter, so I feel relief. Also build in fog light, usb, heated grip etc. electrical sockets are very helpfull. The most unsatisfaction thing is GPS or navigation. Honda puts a 6.5" screen on 2020 AT but no navigation, if you want to use it you need to plug your İPHONE to the bike, but only your İPHONE. İn a short distance ride; you have to put your İPHONE into the holder and plug it in the usb port and wait for pairing, its ridiculous. İf you're planing a long international trip; you need to buy new phone sim cards for internet in every country in the route to use navigation or use your sim cards roaming service :mad::mad::mad:. Both options cost a lot for me. (may be more than the fuel cost of the trip). You can install a navigation to the bike to get rid off these problems, well you can not. I couldn't find a proper place to attach my Garmin zumo 595 with touratech holder :unsure:. İnstalling a huge navigation unit to the handlebar was not a solution for me. Besides those problems I am very happy with my 2020 and waiting corona-free days for a big europe trip.
 

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Yeah, I put boundaries around the amount of electronics/electrics I want on my rides. It is a personal thing for riders, and that is one of my limits. That said, I will probably never own a late model Gold Wing, as nice as those beasts are.
 

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I had a 2017 crf 1000 and bought a 2020 crf L1 in July. They look the same but they are not. 2020 feels like have more power in low rpms, a little narrower, I feel like driving a small and light bike in the city traffic. 2020 is better in commuting. My biggest problem in the 2017 was the passing light switch. I always had and will have honda bikes. I already have a cbr 1100 and the passing swith is under your left hands index finger. But in 2017 the switch is torque control :mad:. Riding one day my Cbr and the other day Crf was a torture for me. İn 2020 the passing switch is again in place where it belongs. :love: I always had problems with the charging system (mostly R/R) in my hondas, so I always install a voltmeter, in 2020 there is a build in voltmeter, so I feel relief. Also build in fog light, usb, heated grip etc. electrical sockets are very helpfull. The most unsatisfaction thing is GPS or navigation. Honda puts a 6.5" screen on 2020 AT but no navigation, if you want to use it you need to plug your İPHONE to the bike, but only your İPHONE. İn a short distance ride; you have to put your İPHONE into the holder and plug it in the usb port and wait for pairing, its ridiculous. İf you're planing a long international trip; you need to buy new phone sim cards for internet in every country in the route to use navigation or use your sim cards roaming service :mad::mad::mad:. Both options cost a lot for me. (may be more than the fuel cost of the trip). You can install a navigation to the bike to get rid off these problems, well you can not. I couldn't find a proper place to attach my Garmin zumo 595 with touratech holder :unsure:. İnstalling a huge navigation unit to the handlebar was not a solution for me. Besides those problems I am very happy with my 2020 and waiting corona-free days for a big europe trip.
On board navigation systems can be very over rated. We had one in a Ford Edge. To update the maps required buying a new SD card at around $170 per card for each and every map update. For some other vehicles map updates are even more. That makes buying a Garmin/Magellan/TomTom with lifetime maps a great deal. On the other hand, Harley Davidson offers free updates to their nav system maps whenever the bike is serviced by the dealer.
 

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On board navigation systems can be very over rated. We had one in a Ford Edge. To update the maps required buying a new SD card at around $170 per card for each and every map update. For some other vehicles map updates are even more. That makes buying a Garmin/Magellan/TomTom with lifetime maps a great deal. On the other hand, Harley Davidson offers free updates to their nav system maps whenever the bike is serviced by the dealer.
Yes your're right, I prefer a navigation unit too, but as I mentioned before there is not a suitable place to mount a nav unit on new At. And even an unupdated base map loaded navigation will be fine for my daily riding instead of using my phone :)
 

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* The Canadian (probably all North American) model appears to have no speed limiter on it. So nothing to stop you from going all animal on it.

* During a handful of throttle, there can be whiplash in the neck. So beware.

* If you enjoy burning premium gasoline, you may be disappointed that the AT appears to operate best with only regular grade gasoline.
Ha ha.....you must be joking...........speed limiter, every bike comes with a speed limiter and it's called the maximum torque output available...
With a compression ratio of 10.1:1 - regular gas is just fine, don't waste your $$ on premium gas. and just so ya know, the 2016, 998 cc clutch model and the 1084 cc 2020 DCT model will each do max 195 kph, and for you mph fans 165 x .625 = 129 mph. And that's a true speed from a Garmin GPS. The bike's speedo lies horribly...it was reading 215 kph!!
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