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Do you like the more radical differences in the models

  • Yes

    Votes: 26 76.5%
  • Not Sure

    Votes: 4 11.8%
  • No

    Votes: 2 5.9%
  • Why would I ? I’m just gonna mod it to the way I ride

    Votes: 2 5.9%

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Discussion Starter #1 (Edited)
Ok another poll on the new model.
I personally like the concept of splitting the two versions, the “standard” AT more rally/trail ready and “Adventure Sport” more tour ready. Now of course this is NOT to say that you can’t do one or the other with either bike. But it seems Honda leaning two different ways with the two models, one for someone who’s going to do more off tarmac and one who will do more touring.. NOT that that’s all they a exclusively do but off the rack, it’s more or less set up that way...
 

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I voted "not sure".

I am considering only the ATAS, since I had never been interested on the Standard Version anyway (due to the compact size) and definitely not interested to the clearly dirt oriented new one.

On the new ATAS, I do like the screen (and the connectivity), the extra power, the adjustable screen, the tubeless tires, the cruise control and the ES option (although I do not think I would spend money on it), the cornering ABS.

I do not like that they made it shorter (suspension travel) and the shape of the saddle.

I am not yet sure on the aesthetics. There are parts I like and parts I do not. I do not like the implementation of the cornering lights, I do not like the colour scheme on the 3-colour version, and how dominant is the side aluminium look emblem.

Aesthetically, I still prefer the 2018 ATAS. Eventually however, the new one will grow on me, I guess. But the 2018 one was love at first sight..... not the case with this one....
 

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I voted "not sure".

I am considering only the ATAS, since I had never been interested on the Standard Version anyway (due to the compact size) and definitely not interested to the clearly dirt oriented new one.

On the new ATAS, I do like the screen (and the connectivity), the extra power, the adjustable screen, the tubeless tires, the cruise control and the ES option (although I do not think I would spend money on it), the cornering ABS.

I do not like that they made it shorter (suspension travel) and the shape of the saddle.

I am not yet sure on the aesthetics. There are parts I like and parts I do not. I do not like the implementation of the cornering lights, I do not like the colour scheme on the 3-colour version, and how dominant is the side aluminium look emblem.

Aesthetically, I still prefer the 2018 ATAS. Eventually however, the new one will grow on me, I guess. But the 2018 one was love at first sight..... not the case with this one....
Yea I was not going to put an undecided option, reading around it looked like a lot of riders are already well opinionated on the new models. But in the end I guess the proof will be when the new models hit the ground, and those new riders start posting here. :wink2:
 

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I think it's a good idea. But I would have liked to have seen the option to put tubeless rims on the "Enduro" model And maybe the option for the larger fuel tank. On my 2016 I used to occasionally carry a rotopax for extra fuel, so bigger tank would be a nice option. Since I ride 50/50, I don't need/want the ES.

But overall I think it's a great idea they have multiple models
 

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I think it's a good idea. But I would have liked to have seen the option to put tubeless rims on the "Enduro" model And maybe the option for the larger fuel tank. On my 2016 I used to occasionally carry a rotopax for extra fuel, so bigger tank would be a nice option. Since I ride 50/50, I don't need/want the ES.

But overall I think it's a great idea they have multiple models
I also think they should have made the tubeless wheels an option in the Enduro model but not the larger fuel tank, this defeats the purpose and is also difficult to offer as an option given the different plastics that go with it.

But I think they should have gone all the way and also offer the AS with 19/17 wheels. It seems to me that many AT buyers never venture seriously off road, and in this light the AS (which seems to target them) would be better off with 19/17 wheels.
 

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One fairly minor change I have read about. Aluminium panels. So... Perhaps less plastic? That's definitely a positive.
No offense you or others.
But it still amazes me on how my people dis plastic. Personally I love the stuff and it’s use in off road oriented machines. I’ve ridden off road vehicles since I was around 8 and I’m 52 now. I can’t count the times I’ve seen plastic work it’s wonders after a “mishap” plastic is somewhat resilient it “bounces” back, aluminum, steel permanent bent unless some body shop wonders are preformed. OMG! yes plastic will at time brake, and yes usually sooner than it’s metal counterpart but then comes replacement time; plastic part 2$ - steel 8$ - aluminum 20$. Think of it this way; if you seen any kinda of bike with a metal fender what would you think would happen if you were to go up to to and hit the end of it down towards the tire and then do the same thing to, say, the front fender of your AT. After that what fender wold you rather have?
Sorry - rant over...

BTW I’m sure there are some “older” riders out there like me who can remember “motor cross” bikes with steel tanks, lol, and even fenders and the (semi-) permanent damage inflicted on those parts..
 

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No offense you or others.
But it still amazes me on how my people dis plastic.
I don't necessarily dis plastic. I dis "brittle" plastic. and the stupid little tabs the cowls use to fix to the bike. they snap - very easily.

If these cowls are now aluminium, thats great. With crash bars they are at no greater risk of damage than the current plastic and protected in this way they should last forever.. with little or no risk of the connection points breaking. It may not be them.. it may be something else. only when i see the bike in the flesh will this particular question be answered.
 

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I don't necessarily dis plastic. I dis "brittle" plastic. and the stupid little tabs the cowls use to fix to the bike. they snap - very easily.

If these cowls are now aluminium, thats great. With crash bars they are at no greater risk of damage than the current plastic and protected in this way they should last forever.. with little or no risk of the connection points breaking. It may not be them.. it may be something else. only when i see the bike in the flesh will this particular question be answered.
I whole heartily agree bad design and harder plastics that break easily are just piss poor choices by the manufacturers and just make people dislike plastic even more, which is a shame because with good design and the right kind of plastic the stuff works great.
 

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I don't necessarily dis plastic. I dis "brittle" plastic. and the stupid little tabs the cowls use to fix to the bike. they snap - very easily.

If these cowls are now aluminium, thats great. With crash bars they are at no greater risk of damage than the current plastic and protected in this way they should last forever.. with little or no risk of the connection points breaking. It may not be them.. it may be something else. only when i see the bike in the flesh will this particular question be answered.
Rubber grease is your friend, put some on all the rubber grommets that the plastic tabs go into and the plastics come off and on very easy and you don't break the plastic pins. You can weld the pins back in place if you do break them, put a dab of superglue to fix them in the correct position then take a small 25w soldering iron and a small cable tie and weld it back in place(using the cable tie like a welding rod to feed more material into the pin as required) making sure you keep the same shape as the original.
 

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Rubber grease is your friend, put some on all the rubber grommets that the plastic tabs go into and the plastics come off and on very easy and you don't break the plastic pins. You can weld the pins back in place if you do break them, put a dab of superglue to fix them in the correct position then take a small 25w soldering iron and a small cable tie and weld it back in place(using the cable tie like a welding rod to feed more material into the pin as required) making sure you keep the same shape as the original.
Agreed but I see his point sometimes they just kinda do stupid designs that, when disassembling, make it easy to break, like tabs instead of the post and grommets like you are referring to. It’s to easy to snap them while trying to figure out just how something is attached...
 

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I think it's a good idea. But I would have liked to have seen the option to put tubeless rims on the "Enduro" model And maybe the option for the larger fuel tank. On my 2016 I used to occasionally carry a rotopax for extra fuel, so bigger tank would be a nice option. Since I ride 50/50, I don't need/want the ES.

But overall I think it's a great idea they have multiple models
Pretty much what you would have liked (and I as well) is available in other countries, just not here. It's the AT Adventure Sport (with regular suspension), apparently Honda US has chosen to only import the regular Africa Twin and Africa Twin Adventure Sport ES. Might contact Honda Powersports https://powersports.honda.com/contact-us
 

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2018:
I liked the red/black/white scheme of the AT - but the extra height and better suspension of the ATAS makes it worth it to me.
I like the extra tank capacity of the ATAS - but don't like how I have less leg room.
I like the rack/grab handles of the AT better than the ATAS because they fit a passenger's hands better (I've carried a passenger on both and it was a big deal to her).
I like the height of the ATAS seat better than the AT - but I like the shape of the AT seat better (another noticable difference to my passenger).
Black rims vs gold - I'll swap my gold rims for black if anyone wants to trade...

2020:
The Adventure no longer has a taller suspension, and the seats are the same - but it has electronic suspension and cruise control. It also has tubeless rims. I like tubeless, but I'll bring tubes on trips to Baja or AlCan...

I think as far as the 2018, the ATAS was more dirt oriented because of the better suspension - but for 2020 I think the AT is better for offroad with the caveat that over for longer than day trips the Adventure would be a better pick. For trips down Baja or Patagonia - the extra 1.5 gallons of gas in the Adventure isn't as big of a deal as the electronic suspension and cruise control (because I'll still take an auxilary tank). I won't be trading up though - not intentionally at least...
 
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