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So I am not completely ancient, yet (61), but contemplating what 70's and 80's might look like.

Has anyone thought about, seen, or done a sidecar on an adventure bike?

Not a real fan of trikes, but got to thinking that a Twin set up for "rough roads", like the Ural setup, but with a reliable bike, might be amusing.

I would think the Twin has enough HP to remain amusing, and that there would need to be some serious mods (front suspension), frame welds, etc. to make it happen.

What I wonder is how much off-road performance could be retained?

I don't fully utilize the Twin's off road capabilities, but I do like to take it down the road (ok ditch) less traveled sometimes, and would like to still be able to do that.

One last detail: 29 inch inseam and not a big fan of falling over. Been working on skills for the past couple of years, but hitting some limits.

OK: Better image for the thread:

From DMC Sidecars website, Expedition Sidecar hooked to a BMW:

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I think @Beowulf there is immense opportunity to take the lead on such a project.

Just think: An AT that is resistant to napping.

Wut power. :whistle:

= = =

But thinking beyond the box:
  • Never run out of battery juice again. (available spare capacity in the car)
  • Think of all the running lights you could add to the car. The creativity level would be limitless ...
Tire Wheel Vehicle Fuel tank Automotive lighting


  • You can carry a dawg.
  • You can carry a bigger tool bag (heck, a toolbox!)
  • Forget the tire tubes, carry whole tired rims!
  • Carry more than one 2-4 of beer.
  • Almost never run out of gasoline again.
  • The massive surface area for stickers and labels!
  • Subwoofer: Now that is a Pandora Box discussion.
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My brother bought an AT in June and ordered a side car for it almost immediately after his purchase. He ordered it from some company out of Seattle Washington. It was supposed to be delivered last month, but the owner of the company can't find anyone to work because they can earn more money on welfare so now the delivery has changed to December. I know the side car costs almost as much as his bike. He bought a AT DCT, but not the adventure sport. I tried to convince him to pay extra for the AS, but he didn't listen to me, and now he is regretting it. I'll try to find out what the companies name is.
 

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Cool, I would be interested!

Was it DMC sidecars, maybe? Looks like they make mounts and a variety of sidecars that would work on an AT:





So now the thought process:

Would I keep the 2017, low milage DCT that I have owned since new, or buy a new 2022 Adventure Sport, since there are a few bells and whistles on the new bike?

Or switch to a BMW GS, and add a side car?

Decisions, decisions...

Money is not unlimited, but I think I could afford any of those ideas. Just not sure I would enjoy the more expensive options enough to justify the additional bucks.
 

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Cool, I would be interested!

Was it DMC sidecars, maybe? Looks like they make mounts and a variety of sidecars that would work on an AT:





So now the thought process:

Would I keep the 2017, low milage DCT that I have owned since new, or buy a new 2022 Adventure Sport, since there are a few bells and whistles on the new bike?

Or switch to a BMW GS, and add a side car?

Decisions, decisions...

Money is not unlimited, but I think I could afford any of those ideas. Just not sure I would enjoy the more expensive options enough to justify the additional bucks.
" ... Sidecar-Beowulf ... " has a certain ring to it.
 

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So I am not completely ancient, yet (61), but contemplating what 70's and 80's might look like.

Has anyone thought about, seen, or done a sidecar on an adventure bike?

Not a real fan of trikes, but got to thinking that a Twin set up for "rough roads", like the Ural setup, but with a reliable bike, might be amusing.

I would think the Twin has enough HP to remain amusing, and that there would need to be some serious mods (front suspension), frame welds, etc. to make it happen.

What I wonder is how much off-road performance could be retained?

I don't fully utilize the Twin's off road capabilities, but I do like to take it down the road (ok ditch) less traveled sometimes, and would like to still be able to do that.

One last detail: 29 inch inseam and not a big fan of falling over. Been working on skills for the past couple of years, but hitting some limits.

Gratuitous pic from last trip to Oregon:

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My father-in-law is 88 years old and is a certified motorcycling legend. He runs his 650 Vstrom with a hack and he and his bride go all over the dirt roads of Colorado. He fabricated some of the mounting system, which leads me to believe that getting a sidecar mounted to your AT would, at worst, require a little ingenuity/fabrication. Where you may go with it would likely be dependent on the adventure level of your riding partner😉
 

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I'll be turning 60 in January and while I'm in great shape ( wife thinks otherwise) I have though of what will I do when the leg strength or just the overall ability fades. Never thought of a side car before but will keep it in mind for the future.
Why not?
 

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So I am not completely ancient, yet (61), but contemplating what 70's and 80's might look like.

Has anyone thought about, seen, or done a sidecar on an adventure bike?

Not a real fan of trikes, but got to thinking that a Twin set up for "rough roads", like the Ural setup, but with a reliable bike, might be amusing.

I would think the Twin has enough HP to remain amusing, and that there would need to be some serious mods (front suspension), frame welds, etc. to make it happen.

What I wonder is how much off-road performance could be retained?

I don't fully utilize the Twin's off road capabilities, but I do like to take it down the road (ok ditch) less traveled sometimes, and would like to still be able to do that.

One last detail: 29 inch inseam and not a big fan of falling over. Been working on skills for the past couple of years, but hitting some limits.

Gratuitous pic from last trip to Oregon:

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I use to have a URAL Gear Up 2014 and love to ride it. My only complain was that a 750 cc and 4 gear box was too small. An Africa Twin with a sidecar is not a bad idea. There is a shop in Buckley that are experts in SideCars DMC Sidecars | Motorcycle Sidecars, Motorcycle Trike Conversions | Sidecar Frames and Accesories I am sure they can build one for an Africa Twin...
 

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Found this thread over on Adventure Rider forum, where a gentleman added an Expedition sidecar on from DMC. He put it on a 2016 DCT, and from his videos, looks to have accomplished almost exactly what I would like to accomplish: a nap resistant AT that can go most of the places I would want to go by myself.


I think I will go a similar route. Looks like big bucks, but I think it is what I want.

Tagging @DCTFAN , incase you know any more details; saw you on that thread, as well.
 

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OK, so I am continuing down this rabbit hole, and getting a quote for a custom build. Question for experts on DCT/ABS etc.

My bike is a 2017 DCT. One of the options I am considering to change out both rims for tubeless rims from Woody's Wheels, and use the same rim on the sidecar, thus having one tire size on all three slots, and it being tubeless.

The other alternative is to leave the bike wheels alone, and essentially have 3 tire sizes.

It would be appealing to have the tires all the same AND gain a larger contact patch on the front wheel, by switching them out.

Am I asking for trouble on a DCT, ABS, TCS, ect.? Could I get away with this, with minimal impact on shift points, braking, etc?

The one guy I have encountered that has done this, left his wheels factory sized.

The whole process is blindingly expensive, so I am hoping to get it right, with zero headaches (yeah, that always happens!)

It would suck to pick up the bike after spending close to $20k, to ride a couple thousand miles home, and have the DCT totally screwed up by wheel diameter issues. @DCTFAN, any thoughts?
 

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Well, decided to to do this thing. Pick up a new 2021 ATAS ES DCT Tomorrow to build up a custom Adventure Sidecar for. Even inspite of this little blurb, crafted by Honda's lawyers, from the owner's manual:

"Do not pull a trailer with, or attach a sidecar to, your vehicle. Your vehicle was not designed for these attachments, and their use can seriously impair your vehicle's handling. "

I think there are probably a lot of other things the Honda Lawyers would prefer that I don't do with their products, as well... 😁
 

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Let the adventure begin!

Ok, so this is officially turning into a sidecar build thread. I placed the order with DMC Sidecars in Washington State, this morning. Now the hard part begins: waiting!

This thread contains the discussion on the bike selected:



Pic of the bike, 2021 ATAS ES DCT:

Tire Wheel Fuel tank Plant Vehicle
Tire Plant Wheel Fuel tank Vehicle


Project basics:

The Expedition SidecarThe Expedition Sidecar (dmcsidecars.com)
Grab handle
Front bumper w LED Light BarBaja Designs
Tow Hook
WARN WinchWARN Industries AXON 35-S powersports winch, 50' of 3/16" Spydura synthetic line, 3,500lb pull capacity. Winch can swap forward or rear facing.
Seat belt
Front steering Leading Link SetupUsing Woodies 18" spoked rims, black on sidecar, bike front, bike rear.
Front shocks delete of Hagon shocks, swap in pair of Ohlins . Note bike has electronic suspension, so will need the delete jumper/module to not have idiot lights flashing on the dash.Off-Road S36 Twin Shocks (CC 718) | Öhlins USA
Sidecar Installation Labor
Paint: Honda Darkness Metallic Black2021 Africa Twin BUILD - Honda
Heavy duty frame/shock upgrade- Delete Touratech sidecar shock?Ohlins s46 Sidecar side Shock
Bike Rear Shock/Spring upgradeAdventure S46 Shock (HO 649) | Öhlins USA
Lead time from order?
Delete bike battery, install large capacity battery cells under sidecar (winch + extra starting power.)Two sealed 6v batteries, in series, lots of amps.
 
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