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Guys, by the time I wrote this post I wasn't able to find real pictures of the Candy Prominent Red color scheme for the AT. As I have the AT app which was updated a couple days ago. It now features the new color (besides two other models, the CBR1000RR Fireblade and the new X-Adv). I cropped some CGI photos which I will post. I hope you don't mind. I think you are as eager as I was to see them. IMHO this new scheme doesn't appeal to me. For me there is only 'one' color or to be more precise... 'Tri'.

Wishing you safe and pleasant rides.
Manel.
 

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Manel, I can't send PM's either as a new member yet. Very annoying and weird... But you nailed it. Go to the website hondanews dot eu. Then click on motorcycles > models > on/off and click on the Africa Twin. There click on the second news item.
 

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I feel like Honda knew exactly what they were doing when they called it CRF...
this bike, although not breaking any new ground, is not pretending to be GS or a 1190r
or any other "benchmark" bike in the ADV pantheon
It's just an Africa Twin
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Imho our motorcycle, the subject of this forum, it is not an Africa Twin either. The original RD model earned that name the hard way in Africa. It is the real Africa Twin and deservedly so. This new bike is a CRF, nothing more and nothing less. It has done nothing to earn such an illustrious name. It bears no resemblance or relationship to the original in any way. Honda just jumped on a marketing opportunity and we all bought it. Simple as that. What it actually is, is a nice new big traillie that more or less fits the bill for many of us with the exception of its rubbish rear shock. They almost got it right first time......
 

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Imho our motorcycle, the subject of this forum, it is not an Africa Twin either. The original RD model earned that name the hard way in Africa. It is the real Africa Twin and deservedly so. This new bike is a CRF, nothing more and nothing less. It has done nothing to earn such an illustrious name. It bears no resemblance or relationship to the original in any way. Honda just jumped on a marketing opportunity and we all bought it. Simple as that. What it actually is, is a nice new big traillie that more or less fits the bill for many of us with the exception of its rubbish rear shock. They almost got it right first time......
Lawrence Hacking
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2016 Baja Rally Raid...
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an Africa Twin...

to say "This new bike...has done nothing to earn such an illustrious name.
It bears no resemblance or relationship to the original in any way.
Honda just jumped on a marketing opportunity and we all bought it"
is a bit far, a bit of a stretch.

Big twin in an dual-purpose bike... resemblance in my book :)
Actually works off pavement... also a resemblance

have you seen the two side by side?

anyway... I'm way off topic...
Sorry :)
 

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Imho our motorcycle, the subject of this forum, it is not an Africa Twin either. The original RD model earned that name the hard way in Africa. It is the real Africa Twin and deservedly so. This new bike is a CRF, nothing moreg and nothing less. It has done nothing to earn such an illustrious name. It bears no resemblance or relationship to the original in any way. Honda just jumped on a marketing opportunity and we all bought it. Simple as that. What it actually is, is a nice new big traillie that more or less fits the bill for many of us with the exception of its rubbish rear shock. They almost got it right first time......

And if your so in discussed.......what are you doing here? This bike was designed by the same guy who made the original, still carries a high regard for the original and wanted to build this bike to the same vain. Do all names given and driven by market research have to be "earned"?
 

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What's the matter with the rear shock?

If you mean it's not rideable out of the showroom, then that's one thing....but if you mean you can't pile 350lbs of gear on the back plus your girlfriend, and expect the same performance, then...?
 

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What's the matter with the rear shock?

Gman, ride the bike hard over rough ground and You will soon find out what is wrong with the shock. Not much gear required and no pillion, to get it out of shape.


The shock is adequate for normal road use, but that is about the extent of it.
 

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So how did they mess this one up with 7 years of R&D?

Is there a chance that you could use MORE weight on the back, to get into the proper valving zone of the shock?

I'm just wondering why I haven't heard more about this negative aspect.

I'm suspecting because it seems like nearly 80% of guys who want this bike are streeters for some reason (I seriously can't figure this out). The first thing they want to do with the AT is go to cast wheels and tubeless tires? These comments seem totally insane to me.

So 80% of guys aren't even really using the rear suspension...maybe that's the reason for the limited reporting about it's shortcomings.

Well, I ride off-road exclusively, so I can tell you I will be pretty tuned in to what is going on in the back when I finally start riding one. I'm looking forward to putting it through it's paces off-road, even if it means getting an aftermarket shock to make it work.

Just hard to believe that Honda would under-spec by so much.

(same as the 'soft' front suspension complaints from all these street bike guys too...why are they even buying this bike?)
 

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GMAN

we are buying the bike because we want to.

I bought the bike so I can do anything. 100% road or 100% trail, or even a combination of the 2.
Perhaps I'll come across an unexpected situation when thinking my ride was all road and want a bike that will cope.
Perhaps i want a bike to commute on rough UK roads, to see over traffic, to be comfortable, to make me feel good.
Perhaps i want to see where a lane goes.

After 38 years of bikes, mainly road based trail bikes, I like this style of bike.

The suspension on the rear is too soft. Preload almost at max with my 100kg and with a pillion it's very poor. Riding solo its fine for me- just

I've ordered Hyperpro replacement springs for front and rear.

Perhaps for you lightweight off road gods its fine although some on various forums have changed the springs and a very many people have commented on the rear suspension in particular not having enough adjustment for more weight.



I'm happy to discuss and learn things with anyone whatever the reason they are buying the bike.
 

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Welp, sounds roundly unsuitable then.

Is it fair to say almost any bike requires aftermarket suspension if you are an advanced rider?

It seems this might be the case in the modern era.

Quite sad that it's so undersprung in it's stock form.

Quite like the off-road world too for our bikes. Even though as you say, being mainly inhabited by deities etc., you'd think our abilities could compensate for any technical shortcomings.

Please let us know when you've found this particular bike though, I've been looking for it my whole life!: 'I bought the bike so I can do anything. 100% road or 100% trail, or even a combination of the 2'
 

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My point was people can ride what they want, how they want.
Why judge and criticise people who choose a particular style of bike for whatever reason.
As you say, "when you finally start riding one", you may have some positive input to share.

The Africa twin, despite a few minor niggles, is perhaps nearly the perfect bike for me and my uses and preferences. It will almost do anything and certainly more than my capabilities.

A few upgrades and additions only improve the package and make it more personal.

Or maybe the original BMW R80 GS.
 

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Judging and criticizing.

I need to stop posting here and just read the comments passively.

I participate in countless motorcycling forums, but this one is the most inflammatory and divisive by far.

A lot of people have a boundless and very personal passion for the Africa Twin.

It represents true freedom and adventure for so many of us.

I'm not sure why so many of us have been waiting for this niche bike.

You know what will come next for this platform?

One of these, just imagine:

 

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no bike manufacturer updates a model after one year.
The exception might have been the Suzuki TL1000S which got quite a few changes for the second year 1998 model.

I agree all the same, my new in the crate 2016 red DCT should arrive from Honda Australia some time this week. :smile2:
 
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