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Hi guys, just got a 22 ATAS ES DCT and working on outfitting it. Right now I'm on crash bars. I know there are alot of threads on bars and I think I have read most of them plus what's on Facebook, etc. It seems the 'perfect' (style, protection, install/fit, etc) does not exist :-( I was kind of torn between Heed and Givi but it seems now I'm at a stalemate again. Here is a summary of everything I've come across, then I'll discuss where I'm at...

Heed
Pros
  • Best looking. Subjective but I think they have the cleanest lines to leave bike looking best
  • Price/Shipping is good
  • Protection seems mostly very good
  • Install - don't have to drop exhaust but also see cons below
Cons
  • Durability of black. Killswitch on another thread indicated black scratched very easily. It sounds like a think coat of paint and not powder coated (can others confirm)?
  • Install - While exhaust doesn't need to be dropped it sounds like a tough install still plus it sounds like several ENGINE connections rather than FRAME
  • Appears to be a vibration issue on many of them - possibly due to engine connections
  • Right side bar is close to brake pedal, possibly necessitating pedal extension

Givi
Pros
  • Price/Shipping is pretty good, 2nd to Heed
  • Protection seems mostly very good
  • Install - don't have to drop exhaust
  • Seems to use frame mounts, not engine
Cons
  • I think my biggest issue is looks. There is just ALOT of metal and cross pieces and really takes away from looks of bike
  • I've read the steel is not as good quality as others but seems like its same 2mm thickness as most others
  • Horrible install instructions, just Ikea like pictures and no good videos found
Alt Rider
Pros
  • Made and sold in USA
  • Supposedly solid performance but I've seen mixed results in practice
Cons
  • Price - more expensive than others but not by much unless adding skid plate
  • Install difficulty - most drop exhaust but appears to be frame mounted, not engine
SW Motech
Not considered if for no other reason than the bolt by riders ankle - very poor

Outback Motortek
Pros
  • Made and sold in USA
  • Supposedly excellent protection and only one actually crash (really drop) tested
Cons
  • Most expensive
  • Install difficulty - most drop exhaust but appears to be frame mounted, not engine
  • Ugly like the Givi - there is just alot of bar and other metal taking away from aesthetics

Ok, so I hope that is a pretty accurate summary. For me, I will probably be doing 80/20 paved with some non demanding off road like dirt/gravel etc. I won't be doing any sophisticated trails etc. So I'm most concerned about protection from simple drops and low/medium speed falls. A high speed or serious crash and the bars are least of my concern. I think ANY of the bars would meet my protection criteria.

The next things are ease of install / maintenance and looks. I'd rather not drop the exhaust and take half the bike apart but I do prefer frame attachment points instead of engine. As for looks, I know these are crash bars and many would argue it doesn't matter as long as it protects well but hey, these are great looking bikes that we spent alot of $ on so I don't really want to cover it all up with a bunch of steel bar. I think the Heed wins this one hands down. And last is maintenance - I would really rather not have to remove and re-install the bars each time I want to do maintenance on bike, remove tupperware, etc.

So - thoughts on above?
Heed - is the paint on them really that bad - they are not powder coated??? Is there really vibration die to engine mounting?

Givi - do they really look as bad as thought? Does anyone have good pictures of them in black on your bike?

Thanks for following along and providing your thoughts (of course based on your actual experience)!
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Jeremy from AltRider explains the difference between his and SW Motech and OM guards, yes he will always promote his product, but it all makes sense, "Round" is always stronger then "Flat"
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Just slightly larger diameter tubes of same material makes a significant difference too.
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I like what Jeremy says in the video about not using flat bar, and instead welding their copes flat. Anyone with the Heed system want to chime in? I can't tell in their pictures what their attachments look like.
Regarding the heed bars. I have a 2020 ATAS. Will I have to remove the crash bars to access the air filter (remove the plastics and flip up / remove the tank?
I've always coveted the Altrider bars (and the modular design), but the price is prohibitive in comparison.
Anybody with the Heed Rear Crashbars? Did they fit well and are they unobtrusive when riding and mounting/dismounting?
I think @ViperTech18 has the Heed rear bars, maybe he will be able to help with your questions.
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@Moto Vita , I have them on top of the OEM Rear Carrier.
They are fine, you not know they are there riding, mounting or dismounting.
I think they will help save the rear blinker in some naps.


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@Moto Vita , I have them on top of the OEM Rear Carrier.
They are fine, you not know they are there riding, mounting or dismounting.
I think they will help save the rear blinker in some naps.


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Thanks, you and I have identical bikes.
Anybody with the Heed Rear Crashbars? Did they fit well and are they unobtrusive when riding and mounting/dismounting?
I have the Heed rear bars installed now, they fit well, aren't ever obtrusive, got here promptly. I like them a lot!
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I have the Heed rear bars installed now, they fit well, aren't ever obtrusive, got here promptly. I like them a lot!
pics would be appreciated :)
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pics would be appreciated :)
Here ya go. I have to look closely to notice the different finish between the painted Heed bars and the brushed stainless Altrider front bars.
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The parts guys are looking for replacement panels without the cutouts for the rear rack that I removed. I need to find some bags to mount on the front bars, which is turning out to be harder than I imagined.
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Debating what to stick on the back of mine as it'll be hitting the ground quite often. The heed crash bars on the front will get thoroughly tested that's for sure. Might just go with sadllebags as protection and see how that plays out.
Debating what to stick on the back of mine as it'll be hitting the ground quite often. The heed crash bars on the front will get thoroughly tested that's for sure. Might just go with sadllebags as protection and see how that plays out.
Soft saddle bags, filled with tennis balls or helium balloons should cushion the rear end fine 🎾🎈;)
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I’m assuming not but would the Heed rear bars fit if I have OEM panniers installed back there?

I have the front Heeds already and they work great
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Jeremy from AltRider explains the difference between his and SW Motech and OM guards, yes he will always promote his product, but it all makes sense, "Round" is always stronger then "Flat"
As an unofficial test dummy for AltRider I have conducted extensive testing of their crash bars. No damage at all in my several years of crashes, I mean tests.
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As an unofficial test dummy for AltRider I have conducted extensive testing of their crash bars. No damage at all in my several years of crashes, I mean tests.
ouch, nearly went down the mountain :( what was the damage on the bike, any more pictures?

...you should send that picture to Jeremy (Alt rider) maybe he can fabricate a "different" crash guards, to suit your style of ridding :ROFLMAO:
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ouch, nearly went down the mountain :( what was the damage on the bike, any more pictures?

...you should send that picture to Jeremy (Alt rider) maybe he can fabricate a "different" crash guards, to suit your style of ridding :ROFLMAO:
No damage at all, just oil draining out. I posted this on another forum recommending AltRider and was contacted by them. Soon afterwards I got an AltRider T-shirt!
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That's funny T-Rex, I am in the same boat, except I'll be getting the same 22 ATAS ES DCT tomorrow, if everything goes well (excited :))... have the same questions and dilemmas RE guards etc. You did some good and useful research already (thx).

Not sure if black bars would look good on the tricolor bike 🤔, would like to see some pictures?

Wondering if gold would work better, to match the rims :) ... for that extra "bling factor"

I like the white bars as well "Are these Outback Motortech ?:
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I had decided to go with the black until
I saw these bars in white. They look GREAT!
I had decided to go with the black until
I saw these bars in white. They look GREAT!
just installed the black HEED's last week, white bars would show bug guts too much 🦟🦟🦟
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