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I'm an owner/admin on another motorcycle forum that's been going for about 15 years and started a comparison matrix of the various years, models, and changes over time...primarily for the North American market. And it's been a great utility (even as its gotten really full of info). And I keep updated via Excel and publish as a .PDF.

Anybody aware of such a thing in the AT community? I wouldn't want to reinvent the wheel, but does something like the attached exist for this AT. I searched a bit and found a few nuggest here and there and would start assembling something if not.

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I have yet to see it, it could be handy to have.
If or when you do let me know and I’ll make it a sticky in the tech section.
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My 2018 ATAS DCT
Source: Hondanews.com
November 6, 2017
ModelCRF1000L2 Africa Twin Adventure Sports DCTCRF1000L2 Africa Twin Adventure SportsCRF1000L Africa Twin DCTCRF1000L Africa Twin
ENGINE
Type998cc liquid-cooled Unicam® four-stroke 22.5º parallel-twin
Valve TrainSOHC; four valves per cylinder
Bore x Stroke92.0mm x 75.0mm
Compression Ratio10.0:1
InductionPGM-FI electronic fuel injection (Throttle By Wire); (2) 44mm throttle bodies
IgnitionFull transistorized ignition
StarterElectric
Transmission6 speed automatic DCT6 speed manual6 speed automatic DCT6 speed manual
Clutch2 multiplate wetMultiplate wet2 multiplate wetMultiplate wet
Final DriveChain; 16Tx42T
SUSPENSION
Front45mm inverted telescopic fork; 9.9 in. travel45mm inverted telescopic fork; 9.1 in. travel
RearPro-Link® system w/ single shock; 9.4 in. travelPro-Link system w/ single shock; 8.7 in. travel
BRAKES
FrontTwo four-piston hydraulic calipers w/ 310mm disks; ABS
RearSingle one-piston hydraulic caliper w/ 256mm disk; ABS
TIRES
Front90/90-21
Rear150/70R-18
MEASUREMENTS
Rake (Caster Angle)27.5º
Trail111mm (4.37 in.)113mm (4.44 in.)
Length92.3 in.91.9 in.
Width36.7 in.
Height61.8 in.58.2 in.
Seat Height36.2 in. / 35.4 in.34.3 in. / 33.5 in.
Ground Clearance10.7 in.9.9 in.
Wheelbase62.2 in.62.0 in.
Fuel Capacity6.4 gal. (1.0 gal. reserve)4.97 gal. (1.0 gal. reserve)
ColorWhite/Blue/RedMatte Black Metallic; Red/Black/White
Curb Weight*555.8 lbs.533.0 lbs.530.0 lbs.506.8 lbs.
*Includes all standard equipment, required fluids and full tank of fuel—ready to ride
Meets current EPA standards
Models sold in California meet current CARB standards and may differ slightly due to emissions equipment
Specifications subject to change
 

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That's exactly the kind of chart I would start building and add details of what wheels from what years might fit, form factors, MSRP, etc. Without objection I'd start with your chart as a base AT-Dragon. Thx.
 

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That's exactly the kind of chart I would start building and add details of what wheels from what years might fit, form factors, MSRP, etc. Without objection I'd start with your chart as a base AT-Dragon. Thx.
I think everyone would welcome it if you don't mind putting in the work :)

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I hate to say it ... but I think some of the information is in the wrong column(s), especially the second column. The quickest example is fuel capacity.
 

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Seems kinda funny seeing the mis-mash of ye olde 19th century units of measure mixed with other aspects in metric. That is, the technical machine-based stats are in metric, and the human concerns are in Imperial, and I should clarify as "U.S" Imperial ... if that makes sense anymore.
 

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Seems kinda funny seeing the mis-mash of ye olde 19th century units of measure mixed with other aspects in metric. That is, the technical machine-based stats are in metric, and the human concerns are in Imperial, and I should clarify as "U.S" Imperial ... if that makes sense anymore.
Despite the official and unofficial statements that Canada is metric, Canadians are caught in a situation where we are not truly metric or imperial. If you go to the lumber yard a sheet of plywood is 4 foot by 8 foot. Check the weather forecast and visibility is stated in kilometers while ceiling is stated in feet. I think altimeter settings in Canada may still specified in inches of mercury. When checking volume things are sold in metric but for many of the older generation gallon means much more than litre. When using gallons we have to know if it is U.S. gallon(approx. 3.8 litres) or Imperial gallon(4.5 litres). That last is why Canadian and British owned vehicles seemed to get better mileage than the identical vehicle in the US. The US gallon and Imperial gallon both contain four pints. For those who drink beer, which pint would you want? When one of our former prime ministers said he was going to raise the price of gas by 5 cents a gallon he was very quickly tossed out of office. No when it goes up 5 cents per litre no one says anything. As much as I like my country, it seems to be a very strange place at times. No wonder new immigrants or visitors sometimes find it difficult to figure out what is going on here.
 

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Ya know,
Several years ago, there was a plan for the U.S.A. to change to the metric system. I bought a brand new, 1979 F-350 Ford Lariat truck with the 7.5L 460 and the C-6 trans. What an outstanding truck. But, later on, when it was out of warranty, and I had to do my own work on it, I found it amazing that, I had to have both metric and SAE tools to do even some simple tasks/jobs on it. It wasn't the end of the world 'cause I had to do that but, some mechanics and even DIY types were quite pissed off that they had to purchase metric tools to work on American cars and trucks. But, it happened and we all survived.
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I hate to say it ... but I think some of the information is in the wrong column(s), especially the second column. The quickest example is fuel capacity.
Came from Honda’s web site, but was a press release.
Did Honda change anything in the final production?
We should double check that..
Oh they did typo and put something in the wrong column... Or maybe when I cut and pasted it did it, yea that suspension info on down,needs to be shifted over one column, for sure.
Thanks for the heads up!!!
Note: I fixed that column/info... :)
 

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Press release from Honda about the 2018 Adventure Sport:

November 6, 2017
When the CRF1000L Africa Twin was introduced in 2016 as an homage to the successful XRV650 and XRV750, the full-scale adventure motorcycle was immediately heralded for being equally capable of crossing rugged continents and highway cruising. Now, the "True Adventure" spirit of the award-winning model expands with the introduction of the CRF1000L2 Africa Twin Adventure Sports, which pushes the platform even further into the long-range off-road-ready territory. In addition, the standard CRF1000L Africa Twin has received important updates.
Similar in overarching design, both 2018 models offer a superb balance of power and light weight, a key component to the platform's success and user-friendly nature. They also benefit from added electronic functionality and improved engine performance. To build on this and enhance its adventure-touring capabilities, the Adventure Sports model offers improved range through a larger fuel tank, more creature comforts for longer touring, and added ground clearance through increased suspension travel.

DESIGN
The Africa Twin Adventure Sports' styling is less minimalist than that of the Africa Twin; the dual headlights are shared but the new model has a larger fairing matched with an 80mm taller screen to offer greater wind protection. It also comes standard with heated grips and a 12V accessory socket, facilitating longer tours in wide-ranging conditions.
The Adventure Sports model comes standard with a larger sump guard and front light bars. Brushed-aluminum cowling panels add tough appeal and class to this adventure-ready machine, while the rear mudguard and steel rack can be easily removed. Aluminum side cases are available, as is an aluminum top box with mounting equipment specific to the CRF1000L2 Africa Twin Adventure Sports. Thanks to a 1.4-gallon larger, 6.37-gallon fuel tank (compared to 4.97 gallons on the standard model), range for the Adventure Sports model is extended.

Ergonomics
For extended off-road use, the Adventure Sports' seat features a flatter profile, and seat height is 1.2 inches higher than the standard model. The seat adjusts .8 inches, for a seat height of either 35.4 inches or 36.2 inches (compared to 33.5 inches and 34.3 inches); there's also a rear storage pocket tucked away on the right side. To match the raised seat height, the handlebar position is 1.3 inches higher and .2 inches further back than that of the standard model, resulting in a more upright riding position.
On both CRF1000L Africa Twin models, the rider's foot pegs are now wider and affixed via beefed-up steel mounting plates. The passenger foot-peg hangers have been redesigned to allow more room for the rider's feet when standing, and the instruments are positioned at a shallower angle to allow the rider to see them more easily from a standing position. These updates benefit riders in off-road situations, an area where the tractable Africa Twin already stands out thanks to its user-friendly performance and size.

CHASSIS/SUSPENSION
The 2018 Africa Twin and Africa Twin Adventure Sports share a steel semi-double-cradle frame that provides nimble on-road manners plus stable high-speed characteristics, as well as genuine off-road capability. Thanks to updated Showa suspension, the Adventure Sports offers 10.6 inches of ground clearance (.8 inches more than the Africa Twin). Each has a wheelbase of 61.2 inches, and rake/trail figures of 27.5°/4.5 inches. Curb weight for the Adventure Sports is 533 pounds (556 pounds DCT), while the standard model weighs in at 507 lbs. (529 pounds DCT).
The Adventure Sports' updated 45mm Showa cartridge-type inverted fork has 8.9 inches of suspension stroke (up .9 inches from the standard Africa Twin), offering excellent long-travel performance. At the Adventure Sports' rear, a similarly revised Showa shock delivers 9.4 inches of travel, up .8 inches.
On both models, the shock has a low upper mount for mass centralization, and it features a 46mm remote reservoir for stable damping control under more extreme off-road conditions. Spring preload can be adjusted via a dial on the shock body; rebound and compression damping are also fully adjustable.
Compact two-piece, radial-mount, four-piston calipers work dual 310mm "wave" floating rotors through sintered pads and serve up consistent stopping power and feel on-road or off. The rear rotor has a diameter of 256mm and also features a "wave" design. The lightweight two-channel ABS can be turned off at the rear.
True to their off-road heritage, the Africa Twin models feature spoke front and rear wheels in size 21 and 18 inches, respectively, wearing 90/90-21 and 150/70-18 tires. The spokes are manufactured in stainless steel for improved durability and ease of care.

ENGINE
The 998cc SOHC eight-valve parallel-twin engine used in both Africa Twin models is updated with a new airbox, now featuring a 20mm longer funnel and matched to redesigned exhaust internals that significantly improve midrange response and sound quality. The two-into-one downpipe now feeds exhaust through two catalyzers (up from one) into a simplified, smaller-volume muffler (4 liters instead of 4.6) that houses two chambers rather three.
Bore and stroke are set at 92 x 75.1mm, with a compression ratio of 10.0:1; the 270° phased crankshaft and uneven firing interval create the engine's distinctive throb and feel for rear-wheel traction.
For 2018, the engine's balancer-shaft weights have been lightened by 10.6 ounces for added character and feel in power delivery. As was the case before, the crankcases are split vertically; the water pump is housed within the clutch casing, with a thermostat integrated into the cylinder head. The water and oil pumps are driven by the engine's balancer shafts. These features contribute to the engine being compact and short, and to optimum ground clearance, a crucial element to off-road performance.
Four-valve cylinder heads, fed by PGM-FI fuel injection, each employ twin spark plugs and dual and sequential ignition control for even combustion. Honda's SOHC Unicam® valve train is a feature of the CRF450R and the low-set position of the cast camshaft contributes to the compact nature of the cylinder head. The inlet valves are 36.5mm in diameter, whereas the exhaust valves are 31mm.
The engine uses a semi-dry sump and in-tank lower-crankcase oil storage, allowing a shallow pan depth and reducing overall engine height. As the pressure-fed pump is located within the oil tank, there is no need for a pressure-feed passage, again saving weight and space.
Secondary vibrations are neutralized by the mutually reciprocating motion of the pistons, while primary inertial and coupling vibrations are cancelled by the use of biaxial balance shafts. The front balancer shaft uses two weights, the rear only a single weight.
On the manual-transmission versions, the aluminum clutch center and pressure plate use "assist" cams to ease shifting (with light lever feel) and "slipper" cams for deceleration and downshifting. Oil-gathering ribs on the main journal side of the primary gear ensure consistent lubrication for the gear, damper spring, and primary sub-gear. The lightweight six-speed manual gearbox uses the same shift-cam design as found on the CRF450R to ensure positive changes.
New for 2018, a lithium-ion battery is 5.1 lbs. lighter than the lead-acid unit of the 2017 Africa Twin and offers greater longevity, both in terms of life and the ability to retain a charge.
An optional quick-shifter is available.

DCT
Honda's advanced automatic Dual Clutch Transmission (DCT) delivers consistent, rapid, seamless gear changes, and very quickly becomes second nature to use. It utilizes two clutches—one for startup and first, third, and fifth gears, the other for second, fourth, and sixth, with the main shaft for one clutch located inside that of the other.
Each clutch is independently controlled by its own electro-hydraulic circuit. When a gear change occurs, the system pre-selects the target gear through the clutch not currently in use. The first clutch is then electronically disengaged as the second clutch simultaneously engages. As the twin clutches transfer drive from one gear to the next with minimal interruption to rear-wheel drive, gear-change shock and pitching of the machine are minimized, resulting in shifts that are not only smooth, but direct.
The extra benefits of durability (as the gears cannot be damaged by missing a shift), impossibility of stalling, low-stress urban riding, and reduced rider fatigue add to the appeal of DCT.
Three modes of gear-change operation are available. Manual mode gives full manual control, allowing the rider to shift with the handlebar triggers. Automatic Drive mode is ideal for city and highway riding, and achieves optimum fuel efficiency. Automatic Sport mode offers three levels of sportier riding, as the ECU lets the engine rev a little higher before shifting up, and shifts down sooner when decelerating, for extra engine braking.
In either Drive or Sport mode, immediate manual intervention is possible; the rider simply selects the required gear using the up and down shift triggers on the left side of the handlebar. After an appropriate interval (depending on throttle angle, vehicle speed, and gear position), the DCT seamlessly reverts back to automatic mode.
The Africa Twin models' DCT is also fully equipped to operate in an adventure environment, with off-road functionality enhanced by the Gswitch positioned on the right side of the instrument panel. In any riding mode, pushing the G switch reduces the amount of clutch slip during gear changes.
Further functionality for the DCT system comes in the form of incline detection, adapting the gear-shift pattern depending on the grade of an incline.

TECHNOLOGY
For 2018, the entire Africa Twin platform is updated by way of a Throttle By Wire (TBW) system that opens the door to four individual riding modes and an expanded Honda Selectable Torque Control (HSTC) system. The use of TBW greatly expands the choices available to the rider to manage engine output, feel, and rear-wheel traction. Whereas the 2017 Africa Twin had three levels of HSTC, plus OFF, the new system features seven levels—from Level 1, for aggressive riding off-road on block-pattern tires, to Level 7, for maximum sense of security on slippery, wet tarmac. It is still possible to turn HSTC completely off, and there are also three levels of power and engine braking available.
In a setup first used on the RC213V-S—the street-legal version of Honda's MotoGP racer—three riding modes offer preset combinations of each parameter, suitable to different riding environments and scenarios:
TOUR mode employs the highest Power (1), Engine Braking (2), and high HSTC (6).
URBAN mode uses mid-level Power (2), Engine Braking (2), and high HSTC (6).
GRAVEL mode allows lowest Power (3), Engine Braking (3), and high HSTC (6).
A fourth mode—USER—allows the rider to set and save his or her preferred combination of Power, engine braking, and HSTC levels. Riding mode and HSTC level can be changed at any time using the controls on the left switchgear.


HONDA ACCESSORIES
A full range of genuine Honda accessories is available for the CRF1000L2 Africa Twin Adventure Sports and CRF1000L Africa Twin, including:
  • Quick shifter
  • Heated grip attachment
  • Heated grip set
  • 12v accessory socket
  • Light bar/skid plate
  • Low seat (CRF1000L2)
  • Centerstand (CRF1000L)
  • Centerstand (CRF1000L2)
  • Rear carrier
  • Tall windscreen
  • Low seat (Rally color)
  • Low seat (Black)
  • DCT foot shifter
  • Comfort passenger footpegs
  • Top case
  • Top case lock
  • 1 key inner cylinder set
  • 1 key body part
  • Backrest pad
  • Pannier set
 

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Owner Manual info 2018:

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A good dumpin' of AT info AT-D. I am wondering if the thread title should be tweaked to more reflect the repository of facts? (and remove the "?")
 

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A good dumpin' of AT info AT-D. I am wondering if the thread title should be tweaked to more reflect the repository of facts? (and remove the "?")
Thanks
Once it’s all completed I asked him to post a new thread and we’ll make that one a sticky.
This one is more a dump page for info & suggestions..
 

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Ya know,
Several years ago, there was a plan for the U.S.A. to change to the metric system. I bought a brand new, 1979 F-350 Ford Lariat truck with the 7.5L 460 and the C-6 trans. What an outstanding truck. But, later on, when it was out of warranty, and I had to do my own work on it, I found it amazing that, I had to have both metric and SAE tools to do even some simple tasks/jobs on it. It wasn't the end of the world 'cause I had to do that but, some mechanics and even DIY types were quite pissed off that they had to purchase metric tools to work on American cars and trucks. But, it happened and we all survived.
Scott
Those vehicles showed up on our side of the border as well. I usually ran into the SAE/Metric issues when working on my water pump or some other part fastened to the block with multiple nuts and bolts. There always seemed to be one bolt tucked away in an awkward difficult to access location that the wrench or socket just would not grab. If the other bolts were SAE then that bolt would be metric. If the other bolts were metric, that bolt would be SAE. Either way you ended up crawling out from under the vehicle, going back to the tool box for the right tool and crawling back under. I doubt any mechanic had a hand in specifying what bolts were to be used to assemble the vehicle. It often made me wonder if some of the people designing the vehicle had a very twisted sense of humour.
 

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Hey AT-Dragon,
May I ask a favor? In the evening, I sometimes sit down with my owners manual from my new '18 AT/AS DCT and try and comprehend what's printed. For much of it, I get it and can apply what I'm reading. But, for some parts and descriptions, I'm a bit lost. For instance, in your spec sheet above, it shows:
AC, II AC, III AC
What may I ask, do those represent?

CRF1000D/ DII , I'm assuming those two are for the Africa Twin DCT and, the Adventure Sports DCT, correct?

What I'm kind-a getting at is, I wish that Honda would have put a glossary in the back of their manual to elaborate as to what all the abbreviations stand for. Another example: [Coms] in the fuel/trip meter section of the manual. I kind-a think that "Coms" is CONSUMPTION but, I could be way off. For those that are much smarter than I, it's probably obvious of what some or all of the abbreviations mean. But, sometimes I'm just pure SLOW. Thanks for any help here.
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Hey AT-Dragon,
May I ask a favor? In the evening, I sometimes sit down with my owners manual from my new '18 AT/AS DCT and try and comprehend what's printed. For much of it, I get it and can apply what I'm reading. But, for some parts and descriptions, I'm a bit lost. For instance, in your spec sheet above, it shows:
AC, II AC, III AC
What may I ask, do those represent?

CRF1000D/ DII , I'm assuming those two are for the Africa Twin DCT and, the Adventure Sports DCT, correct?

What I'm kind-a getting at is, I wish that Honda would have put a glossary in the back of their manual to elaborate as to what all the abbreviations stand for. Another example: [Coms] in the fuel/trip meter section of the manual. I kind-a think that "Coms" is CONSUMPTION but, I could be way off. For those that are much smarter than I, it's probably obvious of what some or all of the abbreviations mean. But, sometimes I'm just pure SLOW. Thanks for any help here.
Scott
WOW!!!
My hats off to you, those few pages are the most I looked at in my manual. Even then I barely read through them.
Yes on your statement about the CRF1000D
“A” is the standard model, manual.
II or 2 is the Adventure Sport
Not 100% sure on the abbreviations but
I asked Honda if they have a glossary of abbreviations in our manuals I’ll let you know what they say.
Then again it is dealing with the weight..
Watch this video he has interesting things to say about the manufacturers posted weights..
 

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WOW!!!
My hats off to you, those few pages are the most I looked at in my manual. Even then I barely read through them.
Yes on your statement about the CRF1000D
“A” is the standard model, manual.
II or 2 is the Adventure Sport
Not 100% sure on the abbreviations but
I asked Honda if they have a glossary of abbreviations in our manuals I’ll let you know what they say..
D: DCT for sure.
A: May mean ABS (been used by Honda on their other models)
II: Yes, Adventure Sport.
C: ?

"Cons" is consumption.
 
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