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AT Dislikes?

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Place for all negatives about the AT.

I think the negatives are almost more important then the positives. You know what you like and what you want, but more important is knowing what you don't like and if you can live with those dislikes in the long run...

Couple quickies from here


  • Long 1st gear. When idling the AT trundles at 14km/h - this is too fast for technical terrain. Can hopefully be fixed by a smaller front sprocket.
  • The readout display uses negative LCD (black background, light lettering) which is sometimes hard to read during daylight.
  • The throttle is a little too sensitive on the manual model – not a problem on the DCT.
  • The stepped seat is distracting when you ride technical terrain. Honda isn't planning to sell a straight bench unless customers demand it. Companies like Touratech will probably provide one at a premium price.
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The seat is not as good as the reviews say it is.

I ordered the tank deflector and a taller windscreen and pieced together a $10 home depot mod
and the buffeting is gone and the ride is now much quieter.

I ordered a G2 throttle tamer to lose some of the jerkiness in the throttle.

Not perfect by any means but better.

Too many body panels to deal with get to critical maintenance areas.

ST and Pacific Coast designers must have needed a project.

Foot peg must be a major design goof they decided not to address.
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The OE Dunlops are not confidence inspiring in the damp or cold.
Fitted Continental trial attack 2s
After 600kms have to say the bike is much nicer to ride.
And a lot happier in wet /damp conditions.
Honda got their tyre choice wrong I think for the UK and Ireland.
the OE tires are absolute garbage in cold/damp. the bike and its geometry go a long way to compensate for that. I cant wait to spoon on some Pirelli Scorpions for the street! they were OE on my 2014 Tiger 800xc and I absolutely loved them. Cant say enough good stuff about the Scorpion line.
Things I dont like about my AT:


The plastics are a pia to remove, to hard and way to complicated.
I dont find it very smooth in slow traffic.
The seat, sliding forward all the time.
The OEM Dunlops
I find the plastics to be not a big deal. They are easier to remove than the ST1300 plastics I used to deal with and I'm not seeing a need to remove them very often anyway.

The seat is OK, but could be better. After some longer trips I'll decide if I'm going to buy a Corbin or maybe a Sargeant seat.

The original tyres are OK, but they are taking up room in the garage - maybe I should sell them. So far I'm quite liking the E07 rear tyres for road & gravel performance combined with good life. The TKC80 front tyres seems OK on the road and very good on gravel, hopefully it gets a good life too.

Add-ons are quite costly, but that isn't something I can blame on the bike - more related to me deciding how I want things to be. Currently I'm saving for a set of Bumot panniers since my bank balance was destroyed by purchasing the brand new (2017 model) AT - US$1200 + shipping + local sales tax (15% GST) when it arrives in the country = quite a bit of money.

Overall I'm loving the bike, even though I know I'm going to spend thousands more on various things I want to change.
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I widened my mirrors when I had an AT. The standard 10mm jobs on eBay work fine.
I went back to the stock mirror mounts this season. The jacket I initially wore "puffed out" in the wind. Current First Gear jacket does not interfer.
I know I'm digging old thread but how much of a problem are the tubed tires. Seems like a serious problem that been addressed only in recent years
I know I'm digging old thread but how much of a problem are the tubed tires. Seems like a serious problem that been addressed only in recent years
What specifically do you feel is a serious problem with tubed tires?
The serious part is that a blowout could be faster and scarier at highway speed if say a spine had logged in the rubber than worked it's way in past walls to the tube on the street.
I would be happy to be wrong trust me,

but the logic as I understand is that tubeless fail less dramatically..and that's probably why tubeless is standard on most highway going vehicles
... that seems to be the current lore, which I have bought into.
Tubeless wheels was one of the determining factors in my purchase of this bike, but my Husky has tubes...
Tubeless wheels was one of the determining factors in my purchase of this bike, but my Husky has tubes...
Funny thing for me is all my life I have had tubeless wheels and at least a front disk brake, both dating back to the mid-70s. It took the AT to get me to accept tube tires. It was a personal trade-off at the time, maybe one of many moments of weakness in regards to the Africa Twin.
I have only owned one bike with tubeless tires. While tubes are perhaps somewhat more dangerous if an object reaches the tube, I don't think it is a significant difference.

A buddy of mine had the tubless rear tire of his BMW R1200 RT completely shred while on a road trip. He and his pillion where lucky to have not wrecked and he quit riding right after. So it isn't as though tubeless tires are immune to catastrophic flats.

Both tire types are capable of popping, shredding or otherwise rapidly deflating.

So while tubes may be inherently somewhat more dangerous, there are a ton of bikes out there with tubes and they aren't getting catastrophic flats and killing their riders on the regular :)

I would think the ability to possibly plug and re-inflate a tubeless tire, would be a bigger draw to road bikes than the fear of a catastrophic flat? ¯\(ツ)



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Thought some real drama should be appreciated and confidence not get too complacent:




Not all tubeless ...

You never want to get complacent for sure. Truck, Car, and Motorhome tires blow out as well, scattering pieces everywhere, and can be hazardous to motorcycles. There are many news stories similar to this...



A lot of folks may not recall the saga of Dunlop and the D402, because it was primarily a Harley tire. But the D402 (tubless) allegedly had an adhesion issue with the belts or something like that which would cause the sidewalls to blow out under certain conditions. If I recall correctly, Dunlop finally issued a recall on the D402 after I believe half a dozen deaths and 4 times as many injuries were reported to NHTSA.

Goodyear/Dunlop had had previous issues with a Goldwing tire (Dunlop 250 radial) and a Goodyear Motorhome tire that was allegedly responsible for almost 100 deaths.
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The serious part is that a blowout could be faster and scarier at highway speed if say a spine had logged in the rubber than worked it's way in past walls to the tube on the street.
I would be happy to be wrong trust me,

but the logic as I understand is that tubeless fail less dramatically..and that's probably why tubeless is standard on most highway going vehicles
I get the point (sorry about the pun). I got sold on the stuff you put inside the tube that seals small punctures. I used to use Slime but now use BikeSeal. I’ve no idea whether it works or not but have so far had no flats in 50k miles on Africa twins and 3k miles on my tubed thruxton. However I don’t know whether the sealant idea would work in your scenario where the offending spike is working itself around.
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One thing that I found of interest, because I have never actually researched it, is how relatively few high speed tire blowout videos there are. I get it that not everyone has a camera recording at the time, but you would think that with the number of bikes and cameras on the road that the number would be higher. But i think "blowouts" which are a catastrophic failures are pretty infrequent for either tire type.

In the videos that are posted, we usually don't get all of the details and underlying info such tire condition, tube condition (if it has one), road conditions, speed, load, etc.

I only know of one person that has had a blowout and that's my buddy and his BMW RT mentioned above.

I have a known a couple of people who have gotten flats on the road, but I don't recall the circumstances of all. One that I do recall, was a valve core that had failed. Again on a tubeless tire, likely due to the shop where he had the tires done over tighten it, cross-thread it or something when reinserting it.

Between my wife and I we have only had a couple of flats over the years and I was the lucky recipient of both. In each case the rear tire has picked up a nail and the flat was discovered the next morning. Likely pickup up the nail in the hotel parking lot or on the campsite grounds rather than the roadway.



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I've been lucky in regards to flats - typically the rear tire - after returning to the parked location and looking down and saying, " ... ah crap - flat tire". (typically a nail or screw).
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I've been lucky in regards to flats - typically the rear tire - after returning to the parked location and looking down and saying, " ... ah crap - flat tire". (typically a nail or screw).
I started riding in the early '70's and have had eight bikes over all that time. Obviously I tend to keep my bikes longer than many riders before moving to the next. Two bikes were tubeless, the rest all used tubed tires. I have had one flat tire with a tubed tire and around half a dozen flats with tubeless tires. From personal experience I don't think tubed tires are drastically more dangerous from a safety aspect and possibly may be safer.

With tubeless tires, it is much easier to fix a flat by the side of the road. However in my area, bike shops will not repair a tubeless motorcycle tire no matter how small the puncture is. My fix was to have a tube in the tubeless tire. The tubes in each instance were from the same manufacturer as the tire. For what it is worth, no flats were experienced on any tubeless tire after the installation of a tube.
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Oil consumption is aggravating. I do not think I should have to put 2 quarts of oil in my bike at 3000 miles
However in my area, bike shops will not repair a tubeless motorcycle tire no matter how small the puncture is.
Shops around here won't repair them either. They don't want the liability. I mean there are probably some independent guys willing to do it. But I am not aware of any major shops that will. Pretty much if your patching a tubeless tire your doing it on your own.

The two flats that I got with my tubed tires due to nails, that holes where very small after the nail was removed. In both cases I simply removed the nails, replaced the tube and rode the tire to end of life.

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