Could There be an Engine Shortage?

Nessuno · Sep 25, 2015

We know the AT and the new Pioneer 1000 will be sharing an engine and DCT gearbox... engines and gears will ship from Japan to the Honda factory in SC before getting put into pioneers...

I wonder if the delay our European members have floated has anything to do with an engine bottleneck back in Japan...

Harsten · Sep 29, 2015

Just told by my local dealer than his allotment of of Pioneers was drastically slashed for next year, and they in the top Honda sales points for Side by Sides in Canada. That's okay Honda, we would prefer to see your engines in motorcycles anyways...

FullThrottle · Sep 29, 2015

Most likely the Pioneer 1000 will see a reduction in the amount of engines and gearboxes that it's allotted for the Africa Twin. It is a newer model with more potential buyers than a side by side.

Dusty · Sep 30, 2015

Honda's Pioneer allotment slash is probably a good call given that it has to compete with the new Yamaha YXZ.

I agree with Harsten, I prefer Honda motorcycles anyways.

Adventurer · Sep 30, 2015

Motorcycles is also where they surely seem to be going strong in and would be better with focusing more attention on. Will be interesting to see the battle when the time comes.

Nessuno · Sep 30, 2015

Dusty said:
Honda's Pioneer allotment slash is probably a good call given that it has to compete with the new Yamaha YXZ.

I agree with Harsten, I prefer Honda motorcycles anyways.

Pioneer 1000 is a utility rig, the Yammi is a sport thing. Little to no correlation

rider_marc · Oct 4, 2015

One of the Honda dealers in Colorado Springs have deposits for two AT's. Talking with two sales guys, they were not too excited about how many AT's their dealer may actually receive. No particular reason, just seemed like a Honda thing. For me, this may be a new-product roll out thing more than a Honda thing.

I wonder when there will be available AT's on the showroom floor--after the deposited sales are filled.

FullThrottle · Oct 6, 2015

Are they taking any more deposits? If not then dealers may be getting as few as 2 Africa Twins when they come out.

Nessuno · Oct 6, 2015

rider_marc said:
One of the Honda dealers in Colorado Springs have deposits for two AT's. Talking with two sales guys, they were not too excited about how many AT's their dealer may actually receive. No particular reason, just seemed like a Honda thing. For me, this may be a new-product roll out thing more than a Honda thing.

I wonder when there will be available AT's on the showroom floor--after the deposited sales are filled.

Like they feel like Honda has given them too many?

Adventurer · Oct 6, 2015

FullThrottle said:
Are they taking any more deposits? If not then dealers may be getting as few as 2 Africa Twins when they come out.

Good thing to point out, if that's the case then it's a sure sign of this going o.

rider_marc · Oct 6, 2015

Nessuno said:
Like they feel like Honda has given them too many?

Oh, no. It sounded more like they were not optimistic they would be receiving very many.

FullThrottle · Oct 7, 2015

Adventurer said:
Good thing to point out, if that's the case then it's a sure sign of this going o.

Don't think it'll hit the point where dealers get 0, just not that many.

Harsten · Oct 7, 2015

It's still a small market and first production run world wide. I would put money on the fact that there won't be a lot of dealers with a lot of ATs on the floor. Look at the Tiger XCx or the F800GSA - for the first year everyone that was on the floor had a sold sign on before they even put it out. I would imagine it's going to be fairly difficult to pick one up midseason just walking into dealership for the first year or two. Unfortunately.

Adventurer · Oct 7, 2015

Reflecting that will be what ever marketing they have in place which for something small as mentioned above we should see marketing that reflects that.

Nessuno · Oct 7, 2015

Harsten said:
It's still a small market and first production run world wide. I would put money on the fact that there won't be a lot of dealers with a lot of ATs on the floor. Look at the Tiger XCx or the F800GSA - for the first year everyone that was on the floor had a sold sign on before they even put it out. I would imagine it's going to be fairly difficult to pick one up midseason just walking into dealership for the first year or two. Unfortunately.

I think you're right. even though the market launches are staggered I agree that dealers will have a hard time getting allocation after the first batch....

Adventurer · Oct 8, 2015

When it comes time to get that second batch I have a feeling it will be the higher volume dealers that get priority first, which will more than likely get claimed rather quick... that's the problem with wanting something right when it releases.

FullThrottle · Oct 9, 2015

When is the first batch expected to come out?

Could There be an Engine Shortage?

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