[Dado]

The standard F-up is, of course, blipping the throttle while in gear.
Additionally he recommended getting used to the DCT by running the bike with all the electronic interventions set to max : wheelie control, throttle, traction control.

True, You switch your brain and adjust acordingly, scooters, skidoos, seadoos, autoatic cars, quads, speed boats all have different systems and LEVERS...

...what kind of "settings" are recomended by sales people of parachutes?....do you "go easy" and "practice in the backyard" ?
You don't...you buy one, get on the plane and jump...so why does ridding a motorcycle with DCT require "Special treatment" ?

 

[irsh]

I knew it. DCT transmissions are dangerous. I smell a 'class action' on the horizon. (Where's that butt-shake emoji?)

 

[mrnekk]

I knew it. DCT transmissions are dangerous. I smell a 'class action' on the horizon. (Where's that butt-shake emoji?)

In my opinion, and after this incident, if you are going to give people DCTs to test drive: 1) Ask if they have driven a DCT before, 2) mention like 20 times that the throttle in gear will kill you even if, 3) have the bike with all the setting for safety (traction, wheelie, abs), 4) the riding mode set to a more mellow (not all the power at once, and not limited to DCT), 5) mention the eminent death/injury thing again, 6) Prompt the customer that what he signed is that if he breaks it, he pays for it no insurance involved. I believe that these things would have saved me.

 

[Moto Vita]

In my opinion, and after this incident, if you are going to give people DCTs to test drive: 1) Ask if they have driven a DCT before, 2) mention like 20 times that the throttle in gear will kill you even if, 3) have the bike with all the setting for safety (traction, wheelie, abs), 4) the riding mode set to a more mellow (not all the power at once, and not limited to DCT), 5) mention the eminent death/injury thing again, 6) Prompt the customer that what he signed is that if he breaks it, he pays for it no insurance involved. I believe that these things would have saved me.

How would it have saved you? Would you have declined the test ride?

 

[mrnekk]

Nope, I would be super extra careful.

 

[Little Bill Daggett]

A sure way to get somebody to buy a DCT is for the salesman to say....

"Are you sure that you can handle a bike like this?"

 

[Bearikade]

So they don't call these guys stealerships for no reason, but at the end of the day business is business.

The bottom line is that you damaged their property. You signed a paper and you're on the hook for damages. They want you to either buy the bike or to pay to return it to saleable condition again.

That means you're at a disadvantage in this negotiation because you can't play hardball and then just walk away if they don't give you the deal you want. However, it's not all sunshine and daisies for them either because if you wanted to be a deadbeat and run, they would have to go through the trouble and expense of pursing you legally. Sure they would probably win, but they might instead choose to just take a loss on the bike instead of trying to deal with courts. They know they can get more money from you then they can get from a stranger that walks in and sees it all beat up like that. So they'll probably be willing to haggle with you to a point.

From the pictures and your descriptions, it sounds like the bike has mostly cosmetic damage. As you've found out all those plastic fairing pieces are expensive and they are also charging you labor to get that bike fixed. You need to find out more about the oil leaking issue though. Its probably just the case cover. In that situation it would literally be a metal cover piece and a gasket to get the bike mechanically sound again. You should be able to get parts for a couple hundred bucks to do that yourself if that's all it is. The cosmetic damage is disheartening, but now you'd have a bike with a badass story to tell and you wouldn't be afraid of dropping it. Now you can seriously just relax and enjoy yourself.

Another member on this thread had mentioned that the 10k miles on it were probably full of abuse. I don't necessarily agree. The DCT would mostly manage its own gear changes so you shouldn't of had an issue of a new rider destroying the clutch or gears. Neglect is my biggest concern (not changing oil, etc), but this model has an initial 600 mile break-in oil change and then the next is at 8k miles. Even if someone neglected it, 10k miles is far from to far gone. You should change all the fluids on it when you buy it regardless of this accident and then it should be in good shape.

 

[Dado]

A sure way to get somebody to buy a DCT is for the salesman to say

Or the Old West salesman:

"Careful cowboy...She is a wild one...and it's yours if you can tame her temper" 😉 😄

 

[Fuzzcat]

@Bearikade - nice summary ...

 

[mrnekk]

UPDATE: After many discussions, we agreed. The original options were to give them 5k and I get nothing, or 12.5k for the bike but not fixed. We agreed to 15k with everything fixed and good as new.

 

[DoubleThumper]

Not sure if a smoother transaction could be had, assuming you wanted that bike.

Congrats.

 

[mrnekk]

I never wanted the DCT but I can live with it.

 

[Bearikade]

Oh I was going to say you did god considering all that happened, but I didn’t realize you didn’t want the DCT.
I hope it grows on you. Worse case I would say to keep an eye out. Here the manuals are always cheaper and now you know you fit on the bike so you can jump on one later when a good deal pops up.

 

[Little Bill Daggett]

I never wanted the DCT but I can live with it.

Don't forget to have a test drive...... 😂

 

[Dado]

I never wanted the DCT but I can live with it.

Nothing worse then being forced to buy something you don't want or like
...but you still have time, when the dealer fixes your DCT bike, just ask them if you can trade it in for a "Standard/Manual base model AT"...after all the misfortune, why not walk away, with a little bit of happiness?

Out of curiosity: "what is the Out-the-door price of a brand new 2022 ATAS DCT ES in Greece?"
...the €15.000 Euros Out-the-door price you paid seems like a bargain 🤔

here's what the friend from Italy sent me:

• Africa Twin’s starts at 15,240 Euros ($17,678),
• Africa Twin Travel Edition, in standard manual transmission, goes for 17,970 Euros ($20,845),
• while the DCT variant is 18,970 Euros ($22,005).
• Desert Track in both six-speed manual and DCT, at 18,280 Euros ($21,204) and 19,280 Euros ($22,364) respectively.

 

[mrnekk]

Its not the AS. Its base, red, with DCT. Same model new would be 17k. So I am paying for the stuff I broke I that price

 

[Fuzzcat]

Its not the AS. Its base, red, with DCT.

Sounds like some serendipitous good luck - DCT is better and you'll learn to love it (but don't tell the forum I said that )

 

[Little Bill Daggett]

Don't tell me FFS. You didn't want a red one either??

 

[ToSlow]

Its not the AS. Its base, red, with DCT. Same model new would be 17k. So I am paying for the stuff I broke I that price

Given the options and under the circumstances i think you're getting a great deal.

But if it was me i would try and negotiate a little more in my direction

 

[mrnekk]

As a matter of fact I was into the white-red-blue. But when I saw the red-black up close, I kind of liked it more. Well, no need for indecisiveness not more...