Dallas,I’m 66 years old and owned 66 motorcycles during those years. As far as I can remember they were all manual trannys. I’ve shifted enough...The 67th should arrive next week and it’s a DCT.
1100@FIRE UP thanks for your feedback.
I did some time ago a test ride on a Honda Integra and a NC 750 X, both with DCT. In a few kms I realized that it did the gear changing like i would do in a manual. With the exception of some roundabouts. In those cases we can downshift manually.
As an european model my bike has self canceling turn signals.
@dallas that's a lot of bikes over the years. I will count on your feedback as soon as you get your new Honda. What's the model 1000 or the newest 1100?
Absolutely right, I have to engage N then have a lil blip then back to S2...dont forget tho cos you look a right plonker revving away from the lights in Neutral.....Trust me lolThe only downside I can find of owning DCT is not being able to blip the throttle , just for that exhaust note !
Agreed Ray. I have worked in teams that have designed and developed numerous "automated" systems for aircraft, both piloted and unmanned. As designers, we could never preclude all the things that could go wrong with a system being run by our software (SW). And wrong could be subsystem failures, operating conditions we never thought to consider, or that meat-actuated, noise generator sitting in the pilot's seat doing something we never thought he/she would try. So while I give the Honda engineers a tip of the hat for their DCT system--it IS pretty awesome for "middle of the road" riding--I also know that there will be some conditions that the designers never thought to consider, especially when riding on the edge of performance. This is where these auto systems are most likely to let the rider down.As a retired Chief Engineer ...The only problem with the auto gearbox was that it couldn't see up the road or knew what was coming.
Suffice to say I bought a manual AT when retiring!
Wifey has a Honda CTX700 DCT that I ride around occasionally. I find it is almost always doing something I would not do if I controlled the gear shifts. Its Drive mode is particularly frustrating: if you need throttle response NOW to stay out of trouble, you're toast. I'm almost always in Sport mode, or Manual mode.
It won't do it quickly if you roll on the throttle hard though. The response in Drive Mode is glacially slow. It's a little better in Sport Mode and you might actually get away scott free if you can shift manually while grabbing that fistful of throttle. But only if you can find that **** little switch. 😣Agreed.
As pilot, err, um, ..., rider, we can adjust too. In your use case I would have to step down one or two gears immediately to compensate (in Drive Mode) and have found the DCT just does it.
Yes, a Sport Mode would respond quicker if: i) You are already in a Sport Mode, and ii) You don't hit the horn or upshift button first.It won't do it quickly if you roll on the throttle hard though. The response in Drive Mode is glacially slow. It's a little better in Sport Mode and you might actually get away scott free if you can shift manually while grabbing that fistful of throttle. But only if you can find that **** little switch. 😣
The bike seemed to fly from under me. Fortunately I was shot off the back of it by the time it hit the wall.
It's a well-known fact in the business that bad logic designs kill fly-by-wire aircraft (and the crew on occasion). We could empty a bottle of good scotch over a couple of hours while I ply you with such stories (I prefer Balvenie - a great single malt).This is why self-driving cars are having such birthing pains right now. Tesla cars kill their drivers in autopilot mode. Not often, but they do. The Uber experiment stopped when one of their cars killed a pedestrian in Arizona while the engineer was sitting IN THE BACK SEAT!
Tesla, after promoting the autopilot mode, was very quick to deny responsibility for those deaths and put the blame on the drivers. Tesla isn't alone in that though. Watch the commercials for other car manufacturer's. The electronic driver assists features are promoted heavily as relieving the driver of many of the responsibilities of operating a vehicle safely. Some information I came across from a study in Europe showed many of these systems, which are also used in autonomous vehicles can fail to recognize motorcycles in traffic up to 34% of the time. Several instances have been recorded in Europe and North America of these vehicles killing or maiming motorcyclist. If the vehicle cannot recognize a motorcycle in traffic, how can we be sure it will recognize bicycles or pedestrians either. When asked about fatalities associated with these systems, one proponent of autonomous vehicles stated the systems are still being developed and we need to expect some fatalities until they get it right. My thought would be until the failure rate is lower than at least 1% the systems should not be in traffic. As riders it is bad enough we have to worry about drivers trying to kill us, we shouldn't have to worry about their vehicle being homicidal as well. The systems will not be perfect. No matter how good the designers are, in the end the system is going to be used by a person. Despite best intentions someone somewhere is going to do initiate a series of events that could not be foreseen.