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I was reading a Advrider report from a AT DCT rider doing the TAT and he found the DCT to actually pull the bike down steep hills which he found to be very concerning. He ended up trading the bike in for a manual about half way through his TAT ride. I have a DCT and haven't tested yet but did notice a bit of a pull just after start up last night before going out for a ride. My idle did seem to be a bit strong, which I wonder if that is related to startup. May look at adjusting that a bit lower. Need to pay closer attention after the bike is warmed up.
 

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I was reading a Advrider report from a AT DCT rider doing the TAT and he found the DCT to actually pull the bike down steep hills which he found to be very concerning. He ended up trading the bike in for a manual about half way through his TAT ride. I have a DCT and haven't tested yet but did notice a bit of a pull just after start up last night before going out for a ride. My idle did seem to be a bit strong, which I wonder if that is related to startup. May look at adjusting that a bit lower. Need to pay closer attention after the bike is warmed up.
Yes - just like any automatic - car or motorbike, you need to be aware of the higher revs for maybe 2 minutes during warmup.
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Many thanks for all your responses. My AT is being collected today by the dealer, who will be replacing the switchgear under the Honda warranty. I was informed that there has already been a recall from Honda for this (D-S switch) as they know that quite a few have failed after a relatively short space of time. Hopefully this will sort the issue.
 

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Further update on my ongoing problems with the 2016 AT DCT. The bike is still at the Honda dealership, as the diagnosis has now changed from faulty switch gear to a malfunctioning and faulty ECU. Honda are now needing to totally replace the ECU along with associated new ignition keys etc. Don't know yet when I will get the bike back, but the dealer have loaned me a new 2017 DCT AT model to use until I get mine back. Anyone else out there had any ECU problems?
 

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Hinckley, sorry to hear your problems keep appearing/escalating. Is the ECU problem you advise above causing the unit to not shift from D into S mode, or was that corrected by earlier posts advising how to get from D to S, S2, S3 etc.
I also have a '16 DCT so am watching your comments with interest. Please keep us all informed. I've not as yet noticed any real issues, although I sometimes think the idle speed is too high (1400 range) and sometimes it feels kind of "lumpy". This lumpiness feels like a bit of a misfire to me, and is sometimes even noticeable when approaching a stop and the bike is gearing down with throttle closed, and getting to a slow speed in 2nd or 1st gear where the "lumpiness" of the idle seems to make the bike almost "buck" at little. \My riding season is only about another month, so it's not going in to be checked yet as I'll have all winter to get it looked into, but I think some adjustment is required. FYI, I'm at about 7000 KM total mileage so far, and this seems to have been getting more noticeable since about 4500 or so.
PS; Notice any other differences while you're riding the '17 loaner.??
 

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Hi Ridenfun, thank you for your response and interest. Firstly, the problems I previously reported about being stuck in Drive mode and not able to switch into any of the Sport riding modes was not fixed and is now being directly attributed to a faulty ECU. This would also go some way to explaining the 'lumpy' gear changes whilst in Drive mode. The 2017 AT DCT loan bike is obviously able to access all the gearing modes and is a truly wonderful motorcycle in my opinion, and what I expect mine to be when the new ECU has been fitted. My bike has now just moved onto 6,000 miles for your information. It might be good if we kept in touch as time progresses with updates on how our bikes are performing, as the comparisons would be really helpful I think. I will of course keep you and others on the forum up to speed on how my bike is when I eventually get it back. I'm expecting an update from the dealer tomorrow (Wednesday), so watch this space! Safe riding.
 

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Hi Ridenfun, thank you for your response and interest. Firstly, the problems I previously reported about being stuck in Drive mode and not able to switch into any of the Sport riding modes was not fixed and is now being directly attributed to a faulty ECU. This would also go some way to explaining the 'lumpy' gear changes whilst in Drive mode. The 2017 AT DCT loan bike is obviously able to access all the gearing modes and is a truly wonderful motorcycle in my opinion, and what I expect mine to be when the new ECU has been fitted. My bike has now just moved onto 6,000 miles for your information. It might be good if we kept in touch as time progresses with updates on how our bikes are performing, as the comparisons would be really helpful I think. I will of course keep you and others on the forum up to speed on how my bike is when I eventually get it back. I'm expecting an update from the dealer tomorrow (Wednesday), so watch this space! Safe riding.
Definitely please continue to update us, thank you.
 

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Hinckley, great idea of keeping in touch via the forum. I was out today for about 350 KM, and I "THINK" I am noticing the lumpiness even more (maybe psychological??) My idle is not always very smooth, sometimes seems like it "misses" and it is sometimes enough that even while idling I can see the silly tach lose 1 bar then jump back up. I'll keep watching both your comments and my bikes performance.
 

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Hinckley, great idea of keeping in touch via the forum. I was out today for about 350 KM, and I "THINK" I am noticing the lumpiness even more (maybe psychological??) My idle is not always very smooth, sometimes seems like it "misses" and it is sometimes enough that even while idling I can see the silly tach lose 1 bar then jump back up. I'll keep watching both your comments and my bikes performance.
Mine's at 8k miles now and I must confess that the feeling of lumpiness is growing on me too - even at 4000rpm cruising along a motorway
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Just about 1100 miles in mine. I sometimes feel it is a little lumpy at around 20-25mph when bumbling along in traffic. After that it smooths out. I was thinking of disconnecting the battery to try and do a ECU reset and then run a DCT reset to see if it improved it.its not terrible but it is there. Like it's running slightly rough.
 

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Just about 1100 miles in mine. I sometimes feel it is a little lumpy at around 20-25mph when bumbling along in traffic. After that it smooths out. I was thinking of disconnecting the battery to try and do a ECU reset and then run a DCT reset to see if it improved it.its not terrible but it is there. Like it's running slightly rough.
I have this problem, too. I've been trying to figure out if it's normal or not. My DCT NC700X was smooth in the entire range.
 

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I've heard from other sources that a DCT reset can sort a whole host of problems, some of which you may not be noticing when riding. The reset procedure is relatively simple and is detailed elsewhere on this forum. If you are wanting it, I am happy to copy and paste it for you. Let me know. I'm still waiting to hear from the dealer re my DCT ECU issues, so will update as soon as I hear anything.
 

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I've heard from other sources that a DCT reset can sort a whole host of problems, some of which you may not be noticing when riding. The reset procedure is relatively simple and is detailed elsewhere on this forum. If you are wanting it, I am happy to copy and paste it for you. Let me know. I'm still waiting to hear from the dealer re my DCT ECU issues, so will update as soon as I hear anything.
Ive tried a dct reset and couldn't feel any noticeable difference. This surprised me as on my previous 3 NC DCT bikes the improvement was very clear.
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That's why I was thinking of an ECU reset. Inguess 30 minutes with the barrel out of circuit might do the job.
 

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Update re ongoing DCT issues - Still waiting for Honda to send a new ECU to the dealer. For some reason they are dragging their feet over doing this and the dealer is getting increasingly frustrated with them (as am I).
 

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Unbelievably, Honda UK are still not agreeing to send the new ECU to my dealer and it appears to have reached an impasse. This is now making me increasingly frustrated and angry at how Honda UK are treating me and I'm giving serious thought as to my available options.
 

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Had an issue with gear changing on my DCT model. Happened a couple of times where initially speedo went to Zero yet still travelling at 60 - 70mph. Then when changing down locked into 2nd and would not do anything else, eventually lost drive completely. Switch off seemed to reset although showed 2nd gear then changed down to Neutral.
ECU change under warranty has cured the issue and no problems since over a few thousand miles.
 

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HH, wow!! I've been off the board for a while, so was shocked today to see this is still not resolved and now in impasse. Have you still got the loaner '17 to ride. What reason do Honda give the dealer that they will not fix it. I would view this ultimately as a safety related issue, hence thought they'd be all over this to fix it ASAP. Good luck going forward on this, and keep posting to let us know the outcome.
 

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At long last and after something approaching 4 weeks with the dealer, Honda UK have finally agreed to send the new ECU with associated ignition barrel and new keys etc. I'm now told that they should be with the dealer by early next week and they are targeting the end of next week to get my bike back to me. I'm just pleased that I've still got the use of the new AT DCT on loan, which I'm enjoying. Annoyingly, Honda UK have refused to provide reasons as to why they have delayed the supply of these new parts, and I will be submitting a customer complaint just as soon as my bike is back with me and working as it should. I will continue to keep you all posted.
 

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At long last, some 4 weeks and 2 days after my 2016 AT DCT was collected by the dealer for replacement ECU and ignition system it is now back with me and working as it was designed to do. I did a fairly spirited 100 mile test ride over the weekend and it performed perfectly in all drive modes. I think my regular setting will probably be Sport 2, unless it is wet, when I will use Drive mode. The dealer was absolutely fantastic throughout the period my bike was with them and Honda UK were delaying the process and even gave me a new Oxford Optimate trickle charger by way of apology for the delay in getting the bike back to me, even though it was not their fault. As an extra gesture of goodwill the dealer has also placed a full 12 month warranty on the bike from October 1st, which gives me additional reassurance. Hopefully this will now be the end of this particular saga, and I can look forward to many trouble free miles ahead with this bike.

Thanks to all on the forum who have contributed to this thread. Much appreciated. Safe riding to you all.
 
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