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Just got new 2018 ATAS DCT.

Is it necessary/useful to bring to a dealer for the first service (they told me 600 miles)?
Dealer (he is 2 hours away but another is nearer) mentioned oil change and check cables.

I can do that myself :)

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Yea just do it yourself if your going to do your own oil changes. Check the bolt torque specs on the things common sense tells you too. Give the whole thing a once over. Who do you trust your life with more? The kid mechanic at the dealer or yourself. Also get a spoke torque wrench and check your wheels. Mine were way outta tune and causing slight issues that I thought were tire related at first. Now for the valve checks? I'll trust the dealership to do that one.
I guess it depends on how mechanically inclined you are (be honest with yourself) and/or how much time you have to devote to maintenance.
 

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I live in UK and purchased a new AT last month. The dealer told me about the 600 miles for the first service and mentioned they drop the initial factory fill mineral oil and put semi-synthetic in. They said if the factory fill oil wasn't changed before 1000 miles, the warranty on the engine would be affected. My dealer is close and I think I will get them to do the first service so I have evidence that it was done to the book, just in case any engines issues arise. I will change my own oil regularly after this. Also if any issues arise before the second service is due it will make conversations easier on whether the engine had the correct grade of oil at the first service.

Probably just me being over cautious but it will give me piece of mind.
 

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My plan is to have all normal services performed by the dealer. "Major" & "Minor" so there is a consistency in the "Service and Warranty" booklet.

as the booklet does not have specific spaces for "annuals" so, thats mainly oil and oil/filter changes, I shall do those myself. and keep the receipts.

Once the warranty expires.. then Im more than likely to drop the "minors" and DIY. But stick with the Dealer for "Majors". especially when the dreaded valve check falls due.
 

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My dealer mentioned that if your services aren’t done by Honda approved shops, your warranty can be voided. Not a risk I want to take but each to their own.
 

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The requirement varies by country. Here in the US you just need to keep a record that shows the required service was done. The work does not have to be done by an authorized dealer. In some other countries that's not the case and the scheduled service must be done by a dealer to keep the warranty valid. If not in the US check the owners manual. It will be spelled out there.
 

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I live in UK and purchased a new AT last month. The dealer told me about the 600 miles for the first service and mentioned they drop the initial factory fill mineral oil and put semi-synthetic in. They said if the factory fill oil wasn't changed before 1000 miles, the warranty on the engine would be affected. My dealer is close and I think I will get them to do the first service so I have evidence that it was done to the book, just in case any engines issues arise. I will change my own oil regularly after this. Also if any issues arise before the second service is due it will make conversations easier on whether the engine had the correct grade of oil at the first service.

I am also in the UK and did exactly the same thing, but did not like the fact I had to pay £130 for the first service, and this without the oil which was supplied by me. Since then I have done all the oil/filter services alone, bike now has 30K miles and is just out of warranty.
 

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I have the ATAS and a CRF 250 Rally. I do all the service work. For me working on the bike is a big part of ownership. It will be brake fluid change next time so that's something I am looking forward to. Suppose being retired makes a difference - you can make an oil change last all day !
If there are any software updates I suppose I would miss them ?
As long as you keep oil/filter receipts etc you should be OK regarding warranty. I make out my own service sheets, tick and sign it off so it looks professional.
 

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Bit of a question mark?

As long as you keep oil/filter receipts etc you should be OK regarding warranty. I make out my own service sheets, tick and sign it off so it looks professional.
I completely understand what you say about working on the bike. Nevertheless, I was browsing a solicitor's site earlier and on this page the writer says:

There is an understandable but nevertheless mythical urban, well, myth, that a non-franchised dealership work does not invalidate your warranty. While that is true for cars, it is not so for motorcycles.
Is he correct? I don't know, but he is the head of a reputable firm of solictors that specialises in motorcycle insurance and related claims.

In your case I guess it would make no difference, as maintaining the bike is part of the enjoyment you gain from ownership, but for most UK riders it might be a good idea to stick to franchise dealers for servicing until the warranty has expired.
 

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Question, is anyone running full synthetic in their AT, and if so, have you been satisfied? I have used full synthetic in all of my bikes and autos, as some do not get ridden/driven enough to warrant 90 day changes, so I change in a year, even if mileage is quite low.
 

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Is he correct? I don't know, but he is the head of a reputable firm of solictors that specialises in motorcycle insurance and related claims.

In your case I guess it would make no difference, as maintaining the bike is part of the enjoyment you gain from ownership, but for most UK riders it might be a good idea to stick to franchise dealers for servicing until the warranty has expired.
2 points.

1. servicing by non-authorised mechanics is covered by EU law. This law was brought in to open up the market and prevent end users being 'ripped off' by the manufacturers having a monopoly on maintenance.
original parts etc must be made available to independent mechanics and it doesn't matter if these are bought from Honda or a 3rd party. Independents must have full access to such things as the original workshop manuals.

2. Honda have to follow this law and they do so, but not explicitly. instead they explain in the service and warranty booklet (page 11) what is NOT covered. and for this discussion the following paragraphs are important.

(The following items are not covered by the Honda Warranty.)

Any damage that results from repair or maintenance performed using methods not specified by Honda.

Any damage that results from use of non-genuine parts or from use of fuel, lubricants and liquid agents with specifications different from those indicated in the owners manual.

Further to that, on page 13 they add:

It is your responsibility to ensure that services are performed at the specific period and the service record is appropriately endorsed. In this way your machine will receive the full benefit of the Honda warranty.


So, to sum up. Honda cannot deny a warranty claim so long as certain rules are followed. Its for the end user to provide this proof. For my part, to make this simpler i will have the bike serviced by Honda for all major and minor work while the warranty is in force. Excluding 'Annuals'. which I will DIY and follow the guidance in the workshop manual. (I have a copy)
This makes sense to me given the value of the bike 'as new', it also means any updates or other work that is not crucial or subject to recall will be done. small software updates. error clearing. minor changes. non-crucial items that may fail - replaced. and so on.
Once the warranty expires then all of this becomes moot.
 

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Some useful points there. Just to clarify, I think Dalton was talking specifically about what it likely to hold up in court, or not, in the narrower context of insurance claims, rather than in relation to broader warranty issues.
 

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Did my own first service. The dealer service manager encouraged me to do so if I enjoyed working on my bikes like he does. He said he has never had Honda deny a warranty claim on anyone who has done their own service and kept good records. In line with the good record keeping I bought the oil and filter at the dealer and am saving the receipt.


On the full synthetic question, the clutch might be the issue. Some wet clutches do not get along well with fully synthetic oil. Too slippery for proper clutch engagement. I'd check with Honda on that one!
 

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IMHO unless you are looking for long drain intervals I am not sure synthetic is worth it in an AT. The small sump capacity of a motorcycle and ease of changing the oil regularly means all the contaminants are removed in the oil change. We know many modern large marine diesels have technology that means the oil is never changed. Having said this, I guess if it gives one piece of mind that you have best oil in your engine then fine. The oil work's hard and is such a crucial component. I always avoid the cheap stuff!
 
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