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The more pictures I see of the new AT, the more convinced I am that the frame/chassis is all steel. Can anyone confirm this? If I'm wrong, which bits are not steel?

Further disappointment is that the subframe looks to be welded as part of the main frame. Always a bad practice as slight damage to the rear end in an accident will require a new frame instead of just the rear subframe. But again, I could be wrong as I'm only looking at pictures.

Could someone confirm these points, either way?
 

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Thanks for that. Disappointing though. Not a deal breaker, but I do prefer the fact that aluminium doesn't rust. Maybe they consider the steel better at withstanding long term abuse off-road.

Still, that's the way it is.
 

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During the evenings around campfires and dinner tables I made a point of chatting to Maurizio Carbonara, the lead designer of the new Africa Twin.


Maurizio told me that he initially wanted a beautiful and lightweight aluminium frame, but that Honda’s project leaders insisted on a practical steel frame.


The Italian relented but asked that a detachable sub-frame be made of steel, but allow him to cast the cradle frame in aluminium.
The answer was still "no" from the Honda bosses.
They explained that despite their intention to build a tough motorcycle, they acknowledge that all metals can break when you travel around the world on a loaded bike – they wanted adventurers to be able to pull into a backwater workshop anywhere between Kinshasa and Krasnoyarsk and have a cracked frame welded up by a local with a oxy/acetylene torch.
Source: http://theworldaccordingtoluckystriker.blogspot.co.za/2015/11/2015-honda-crf-1000l-africa-twin.html
 

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Interesting and completely understandable about using steel. But not having the subframe bolt on (and off) is mystifying as it is irrelevant to those points raised above.

I'd still prefer aluminium anyway, so I'm with Maurizio Carbonara on that.
 

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If they used aluminium the costs would have increased, besides making it weaker. It will have to take some serious beating to damage it and then I'd rather have the whole thing replaced by insurance anyway(or just welded until you can get it replaced).
 

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My 750 Super Ten had an all steel frame, so does the original Africa Twin, can't see why people are getting their knickers in a twist over the new AT frame.
 

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... can't see why people are getting their knickers in a twist over the new AT frame.
Who's got twisted knickers? I have my preferences which I've stated and for me it's a disappointing aspect of the AT, but it won't prevent me from buying one. These are just observations and opinions, but everyone is entitled to make and have their own.
 

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made from steel yet still broke under the top box while off-road:


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Wow,

Might be different in the USA but in the UK your recourse is with the place that you purchased the bike from as opposed to Honda themselves. Can you not get an engineers report and take up the issue with the dealer you purchased from?
 

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That true everyone has their opinion and preferences, and there is always compromise.
If you're worried, INSURANCE is what I recommend as a must have.
Here in OZ I have heard of 2 cases where ADV Bikes were written-off by the Insurance Company's.
1 AT crash caused the Rider Foot Peg mount to twist the frame > written-off.
1 Tiger 800 crash caused the Pillion Peg mount to bend and as it's part of the Sub Frame which is part of the Main Frame > written-off.
In both cases the bikes were less than 2 years old, and were fully replaced by Insurance.
My Insurance Policy covers full replacement of the bike if written-off, if under 2 years old.
Money well invested in my opinion :)
No I don't work in the Insurance industry, just covering all base's.
 

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made from steel yet still broke under the top box while off-road:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjHWJFrly24

pathetic
Fake New ;-)

What broke is the plastic craddle. Not the rear frame. What wasn't mentioned by the rider is that he did an enduro in the desert a week prior, and had his loaded top box fitted. ;-)

Barstow to Vegas
 

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Fake New ;-)

What broke is the plastic craddle. Not the rear frame. What wasn't mentioned by the rider is that he did an enduro in the desert a week prior, and had his loaded top box fitted. ;-)

Barstow to Vegas
I figured it was the plastic and not the subframe. I've done the LA-Barstow-2-Las Vegas event on an ADV bike and I'm not surprised it broke with the weight of the top box, especially mounted that far back.
 

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If it was plastic craddle how come honda offered him to weld it? just curious since I am interested in getting that bike sooner or later and I hope it was not subframe that broke.

Going off-road with top box is silly of course but that's the other story. One way or another stock honda panniers and mounts are crap.
 

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Fake New ;-)

What broke is the plastic craddle. Not the rear frame. What wasn't mentioned by the rider is that he did an enduro in the desert a week prior, and had his loaded top box fitted. ;-)

Barstow to Vegas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90fUKlvkI-o
That's terrible. It's amazing someone could make a video like the original one knowing they had a direct part in breaking it. I used to work at a bike shop and have heard so many "JRA stories" (I was just riding along and ...) Adults take responsibility for their actions, kids blame.
 

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If it was plastic craddle how come honda offered him to weld it?
Well. Go to a Honda dealer and bring a magnet. Try to make your magnet stick to the rear rack. You'll see if it is plastic or steel. ;-)

The only Africa Twin that had a steel rack was the 1988-1989 RD03. It was tubular. Then it was plastic on the RD04, RD07, RD07a as well as the CRF 1000.

Also, who said that Honda offered to weld something? That bike owner is pretty fishy. He could say anything not to lose face... ;-)

 
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