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You mean DCT?... I don't think so.

From what I understand, here in the U.S. there will just be two models available... the Red/White/Black (Dakar Rally) which has the 6 speed manual gearbox, switchable ABS, and Torque Control as standard. The Metallic Silver version will have the DCT transmission, switchable ABS, and Torque Control.

It sounds like other parts of the world may have the so-called "base" model, which as I understand it has a manual transmission and no ABS or Torque Control.
 

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Yea, I meant DCT.

Gets a bit confusing when they don't specify where these models are available but I'm glad to hear that the DCT will be in the Metallic Silver version.
 

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Manual is probably the best thing to take advantage of while we can, who knows what the market holds for the future of transmissions, might see manuals on their way out and in drastic numbers.
 

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Manual is probably the best thing to take advantage of while we can, who knows what the market holds for the future of transmissions, might see manuals on their way out and in drastic numbers.
Yeah, that's not going to happen... while you may see a few more models in the future being offered with the option of DCT, I don't see it ever being an outright "all or nothing" replacement for the tried and true manual gearboxes on motorcycles.
 

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DCTs will become important when they can make them cheap enough to offer entry level-ish. It could lower a significant barrier to many people learning... clutches are intimidating
 

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Not really intimidating. It's what everyone learns with on their first bike and this will still be the case years in the future. Just learn with a cheap and old manual bike that can be dropped without worries.
 

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Regardless if it has a DCT or manual transmission, the AT isn't necessarily the best bike for someone to be learning to ride, especially on the dirt. If the clutch is what is holding someone from riding, a 500+lb dirt bike isn't necessarily the best place to start. Not saying it's impossible, and there are lots of people have started with a big bike but it makes a lot more sense to start on something that you can get comfortable on first.
 

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Yeah, that's not going to happen... while you may see a few more models in the future being offered with the option of DCT, I don't see it ever being an outright "all or nothing" replacement for the tried and true manual gearboxes on motorcycles.
DCT indeed, been seeing a growing trend in them taking off, even more and more consumers asking for them as i've observed on the forums.
 

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Not really intimidating. It's what everyone learns with on their first bike and this will still be the case years in the future. Just learn with a cheap and old manual bike that can be dropped without worries.
Regardless if it has a DCT or manual transmission, the AT isn't necessarily the best bike for someone to be learning to ride, especially on the dirt. If the clutch is what is holding someone from riding, a 500+lb dirt bike isn't necessarily the best place to start. Not saying it's impossible, and there are lots of people have started with a big bike but it makes a lot more sense to start on something that you can get comfortable on first.
I completely agree. This motorcycle, whether the manual version or the DCT, is definitely not a beginners bike by any stretch of the imagination. And unfortunately for those just getting into the sport of motorcycling, there will be plenty of dealers who will be all too happy to take their money and send them down the road on a new CRF1000L, when those dealers would be better serving those first timers by putting them on a bike more appropriate to their skill level. It bears repeating... the Africa Twin is not a beginners bike.

For those new, inexperienced riders who can afford to buy a brand new Dual Sport, and don't want to go the route of starting with an used D/S or off road bike (which is what most of us started out on as youngsters), Honda has the CRF250L which is an excellent D/S bike for less than half the price of the Africa Twin, not to mention half the weight of the AT.
 

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Regardless if it has a DCT or manual transmission, the AT isn't necessarily the best bike for someone to be learning to ride, especially on the dirt. If the clutch is what is holding someone from riding, a 500+lb dirt bike isn't necessarily the best place to start. Not saying it's impossible, and there are lots of people have started with a big bike but it makes a lot more sense to start on something that you can get comfortable on first.
I wasn't advocating the AT as a beginner bike, just observing that DCTs will become significant to the moto industry when they can be made cheap enough to offer as entry level equipment, lowering the barriers to entry... is all...

Agreed th AT is not a beginners bike, but that doesn't mean rookies won't ride it...
 

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I think you guys are underestimating the benefits of higher-technology transmission systems for motorcycles. It's silly to say that they are primarily useful just for helping beginners feel more comfortable. After all, no one says that about similar systems when they are used in cars... Formula 1 cars stopped using manual transmissions probably 20 years ago. Systems like DCT allow for full control over what gear you're in, and allow for much faster gear transmissions with much less power loss during the shift. Controlling the gears is essential, but it's not essential to control them with a clutch lever and a foot pedal. Electronic paddle shifting works just fine in cars, and it will work fine on motorcycles as well.

I'm sure that when the first auto-focus cameras were released, many photographers questioned who would want such a feature... focusing, setting the aperture, setting the shutter speed... that *is* photography... a device that can do all of those things automatically might be useful for beginner, but not for serious photographers. Well, obviously, that turned out not to be true! I'm certain that in the coming years, a motorcycle with a fully manual gearbox and no electronic support at all is going to seem pretty old-fashioned...
 

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Well said. No arguments here.0:)

Well I consider myself as a beginner rider (2 spirited years of riding)
The tirade of "beginners should do this and not that etc." is 'old school'.
As a 'beginner noob' the AT/DCT suits me just fine.
Maybe because I started riding on the DCT?

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I think you guys are underestimating the benefits of higher-technology transmission systems for motorcycles. It's silly to say that they are primarily useful just for helping beginners feel more comfortable. After all, no one says that about similar systems when they are used in cars... Formula 1 cars stopped using manual transmissions probably 20 years ago. Systems like DCT allow for full control over what gear you're in, and allow for much faster gear transmissions with much less power loss during the shift. Controlling the gears is essential, but it's not essential to control them with a clutch lever and a foot pedal. Electronic paddle shifting works just fine in cars, and it will work fine on motorcycles as well.

I'm sure that when the first auto-focus cameras were released, many photographers questioned who would want such a feature... focusing, setting the aperture, setting the shutter speed... that *is* photography... a device that can do all of those things automatically might be useful for beginner, but not for serious photographers. Well, obviously, that turned out not to be true! I'm certain that in the coming years, a motorcycle with a fully manual gearbox and no electronic support at all is going to seem pretty old-fashioned...
 
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