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hi all,

Stephan here from HEX - I'm not intending on punting anything, but purely here to reach out to the community and find some enthusiastic owners that are wanting an ezCAN for their CRF1100 AND are (relatively) close to me...

The pandemic is really screwing with many things, one of them being closed dealerships etc.. I'm based in the UK, near Leatherhead in Surrey and would love to meet up with some AT owners in the area, to check / test the bikes... I've been trying my damndest to get one.. but with dealerships closed I can't even get a test ride.. (some owners in other countries might be surprised at how heavily we are locked down in the UK.. as of this Monday we are at least allowed to meet one other person from one other household if I have it right... hence only reaching out now...

Enough about that - we have had an incredible number of request from new AT owners looking for an ezCAN to drive all their accessories.. but unfortunately none of them are either in the UK, (or near enough to me in the UK) or close to our ZA office.. hence me reaching out and wondering if there are any willing and able owners that would like to help out here!

"payment" in good company, great conversation and 🍻 , 🍷 or ☕ of course ;-)

looking forward to meeting some of you and eventually sorting out the AT community with what they want!

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Stephan
 

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I just did this little quick and cheap DIY job. Gives me six switched live circuits, fuse box has neutral terminals. The only difference between this and th Eastern Beaver is that all my circuits are ignition switched. The supply cable includes a battery charger connection which also runs my compressor for tyre inflation.
 

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Nice work!

the ezCAN of course addresses a completely different requirement, where people want to add accessories and control them... it all started with lights and because they vary so much the need was there to control their brightness. Some riders prefer lights that turn night into day, but thats not always practical under all circumstances... so the ezCAN looks at wether your bike’s main beams are on or not and even whether it is day or night and you have different settings (set up during install) for each to set the brightness for each setting... and even thats not always 100% i have been riding with a buddy at night on low beam and he moaned that my Denali D4s were still too bright at 50% when i was behind him.. click click (using the bikes switchgear) and my D4’s are running at 20% on low beam at night...

Customising heated gear based on heated grip settings and speed and air temp, flashing brake lights based on harsh deceleration or other parameter to increase visibility etc, fuse limits are set in software, and should they trip, are reset by cycling ignition... and those are just a few of the ever growing functions... and of course what the customers and OEs alike love is that it just connects to the battery and plugs into an existing connector on the bike - no cutting, tapping etc

it’s not for everyone but for those who require a certain level of integration and control, it’s the perfect solution..

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Is this only for the CRF1100L? Or is there also something like this coming for the CRF1000L. I am not a specialist in elektronics but wiring my Denali's is no problem but i dont know anything of this PDM kind of things!
 

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This is only for the CRF1100 - the previous version does not have a CAN bus. Interestingly the new AT went from no CAN bus in the previous version to 5 CAN busses in the DCT version of the new one... (that's when you know they mixed and matched control units.. and did not do a from-the-ground-up new design - most likely a design cost and time-to-market constraint...

The ezCAN is by no means a requirement for everyone.. it comes in very handy though when adding more than just a single accessory.. This is very popular in the the US where extra lights, brake lights and airhorns and heated gear are very popular - you simply plug them all into the ezCAN, and done - with oodles of customisation etc...

Watch this space - you'll soon see them on the CRF 1100

Still looking for BETA testers in the London and South West corner.. any one interested, let me know..
 

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This is only for the CRF1100 - the previous version does not have a CAN bus. Interestingly the new AT went from no CAN bus in the previous version to 5 CAN busses in the DCT version of the new one... (that's when you know they mixed and matched control units.. and did not do a from-the-ground-up new design - most likely a design cost and time-to-market constraint...

The ezCAN is by no means a requirement for everyone.. it comes in very handy though when adding more than just a single accessory.. This is very popular in the the US where extra lights, brake lights and airhorns and heated gear are very popular - you simply plug them all into the ezCAN, and done - with oodles of customisation etc...

Watch this space - you'll soon see them on the CRF 1100

Still looking for BETA testers in the London and South West corner.. any one interested, let me know..
Thank you for the reply Stephan.

So only the newest versions of the CRF1100L have the Can bus system? How can you ceck if there is CAN bus on a CRF1100 model or is that something you cant see unless you disassamble the bike a bit?
 

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Thank you for the reply Stephan.

So only the newest versions of the CRF1100L have the Can bus system? How can you ceck if there is CAN bus on a CRF1100 model or is that something you cant see unless you disassamble the bike a bit?
Clarification: this is for all CRF1100, thus the "new" 2020+ Africa Twin.. when referring to the "previous version" that would be the CRF1000
 

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For those of you who love the tech.. a couple of months ago I set up the BUS diagram for the CRF1100...


The new Africa Twin 2020+ has K-line and 3 or 4 CAN busses. The 4th CAN bus is the PT-CAN between the ECM and the TCM.

The K-line runs from the DLC to ABS, BCU (Body Control Unit), and TCM (optional Transmission Control Module). The TCM is the controller for the Automatic Dual Clutch Transmission. The Manual Transmission bike does not have this control unit.

The CAN busses are:
  • DIAG-CAN: connecting the DLC with the ECM and and the SCU (optional Suspension Control Unit, if fitted)
  • The FRM-CAN-1: connecting the ECM with ABS, BCU, IMU, METER and TCM (optional Transmission Control Module for the DCT models) and SCU (otional Suspension Control Unit)
  • The FRM-CAN-2: connecting the METER to the MID (Multi Information Display)
  • The PT-CAN for a direct connection between the ECM and the TCM (when fitted) - See PGM-FI Wiring Diagrams in the Honda Shop Manual
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Hi Stephen,

I have a 2020 AT 1100 Adventure Sport and after having the camera kit forever and not having time to fit I have taken the plunge. My question is, how do I connect the Innovv K2 camera system to the power supply from the bike, now I know the battery hook up etc but the switched live is where I need the help. Do I locate a switched live through the loom or is their an easier way ie through the CAN?? (I'm no expert with is topic)

I'm based just down the road in Reigate so not a million miles away.

Cheers in advance

Darren
 

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Hi Stephen,

I have a 2020 AT 1100 Adventure Sport and after having the camera kit forever and not having time to fit I have taken the plunge. My question is, how do I connect the Innovv K2 camera system to the power supply from the bike, now I know the battery hook up etc but the switched live is where I need the help. Do I locate a switched live through the loom or is their an easier way ie through the CAN?? (I'm no expert with is topic)

I'm based just down the road in Reigate so not a million miles away.

Cheers in advance

Darren
hi Darren,

that's just down the road.. with the ezCAN that's super easy.. I just did a blog post on exactly that - not sure whether our marketing dept has made that live yet... will check and revert...

I'll send you a PM - keen to get you an ezCAN for testing - that is if you're keen too?

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hi Darren,

that's just down the road.. with the ezCAN that's super easy.. I just did a blog post on exactly that - not sure whether our marketing dept has made that live yet... will check and revert...

I'll send you a PM - keen to get you an ezCAN for testing - that is if you're keen too?

best
Stephan
Hi Stephen. Here is a question for you. I am based in Surrey, Farnham. I have a CRF1100 ATAS DCT. I have purchased a heated seat and trying to figure out the best way to connect it up. Any Ideas? Please forgive my simpleness I ride every day of the year and keen to start learning how to fix and maintain the bike. Does this EZCAN allow this to connect easily and how would you operate the heated seat? Through the onboard computer?
 

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Hi Stephen. Here is a question for you. I am based in Surrey, Farnham. I have a CRF1100 ATAS DCT. I have purchased a heated seat and trying to figure out the best way to connect it up. Any Ideas? Please forgive my simpleness I ride every day of the year and keen to start learning how to fix and maintain the bike. Does this EZCAN allow this to connect easily and how would you operate the heated seat? Through the onboard computer?
hi Nick

indeed - here are some options:

Option 1:
you could connected it to anyone of the outputs and configure that output as a Accessory out - that is pretty much Ignition out.. i.e. a supply that delivers constant 12V at what ever current rating you set the soft (electronic) fuse to be.. I am assuming you probably have at least 2 settings on the seat ito heat ? is that a connector built into the seat or is it separate?

Option 2:
your ATAS DCT has heated grips with 5 stages of heat control - you could connect the seat to any output and select the output to be heated gear and then configure the sliders for the heated gear between 0% and 100% for each separate setting that your heated grips are set to.. example, you could set according to your heated grips:
level 1 : 20%
level 2 : 40%
level 3 : 60%
level 4 : 80%
level 5 : 100%
however, as with heated gear you will most likely not use more than 3 settings typically 50% 75% and 100% and you could match these up to your grip settings as you like, maybe:
level 1 : 0%
level 2 : 50%
level 3 : 75%
level 4 : 100%
level 5 : 100%
bottom line, totally configurable by you...

Option 3:
the ezCAN has Aux1 and Aux2 outputs (basically for Auxiliary lights) but no reason you couldn't use Aux2 for instance.. and have more flexibility... (setting up and down in 10% increments) - personally I din't like this on my bike (850GSA) as I could never remember where I last left it (% wise) last time I used it.. and 10% increments is just too fine for heated gear...

Just FYI, could you let us know what heated seat you have - I would love to look into it and see what they provide for connection etc..

feel free to send me a private message if you would like to get in touch..

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Hi Stephan,

Thanks for the posts here and being part of the community. I'm just wondering what stage the product is at? I think I learned about this after listening to an episode of Adventure Rider Radio, and finding out somehow in my travels that the AT has Canbus.

I am pretty sure of my ability to mess up my motorcycle's wiring if I even look at it funny, doubly so now that I understand what my 2020 ATAS DCT has (4 systems!). So, I'm wondering when the guinea pig status will expand beyond 100km around London.

From what I've learned, our version of the AT and ATAS do not have direct plug-ins for auxiliary lighting, which is a bit of an annoyance. However, there are several items I wish to plug in, including AUX lights, my GPS, a brake light flashing system, etc. So... are you close to having the bugs worked out, and final production? :) Any chance that you might be looking for a Canadian Guinea Pig?

Thanks, and let me know.
 

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hi Martin,

I wouldn't have pegged you for a Canadian... last time I was in BC the Canadians didn't strike me as seeing 100km as trans-continental ;-)

transforming from Guinea Pig to full production "Work Horse" is pretty simple - once all the leg work has been done. We have confirmed that the AT has everything we need, so it's full steam ahead...

We are in the process of manufacturing a slightly more generic ezCAN that will be more suited to rapid models changes. I estimate this one to be available in October. To that we need to finish the AT-specific adapter (in the works already), so all in all, and dependant on a couple of elements we are looking at early Q4 for this one and a myriad of others... and some Beta testing (which follows the Guinea pig stage) in the next month... ;-)

if you're keen, drop me personal note and we can discuss the details...

best
Stephan
 
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