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I am seeing different opinions about wether ABS (on/off) and HSTC will be part of the standard (6 speed) model. The wording on the Honda web site is a bit vague. Anyone know for sure?

Also, does anyone know how HSTC works? My understanding is that it somehow regulates torque going to the rear wheel - thus controlling wheel spin. Does it work through a slipper clutch or/ fuel injector mapping or/ variable valve timing?

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I'm not sure if it was in this forum or another but NZ and ZA were in the list. Also Portugal, even though Portugal is EU and ABS is mandatory
 

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For the pre-orders Honda Portugal is accepting pre-ordering of the non ABS model, and I think the same happen in Spain too.

BTW, half an hour ago ordered mine, Tri-color w/ABS (non DCT) - I'm happy :)
 

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ABS will be mandatory in 2016, so its possible that Spain and Portugal get to choose non-ABS before that. Also this means that bikes will be delivered before 2016 :)

Edit: and congrats! I ordered mine in August :)
 

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I'm not sure if it was in this forum or another but NZ and ZA were in the list. Also Portugal, even though Portugal is EU and ABS is mandatory
That's just about in line with what I was thinking.

North America seems to fall last when it comes to ABS from the trend I have seen.
 

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I have been unsuccessful in finding the details of the HSTC as it applies to the AT. I think it will be a full function traction control that is rider programmable. In the Dec/Jan issue of Motorcyclist magazine they rode the new Honda 213xxx super bike that has HSTC. The article went into some detail explaining that it was the Bosch IMU- inertial measurement unit that measures acceleration in all axis's. It feeds this data to the ECU which is also sampling wheel speeds and engine parameters to only allow enough torque to the rear wheel so that rear wheel spin up/drift will be limited or controlled to some defined limit. I am waiting and searching for confirmation or better info.
 

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I am seeing different opinions about wether ABS (on/off) and HSTC will be part of the standard (6 speed) model. The wording on the Honda web site is a bit vague. Anyone know for sure?

Also, does anyone know how HSTC works? My understanding is that it somehow regulates torque going to the rear wheel - thus controlling wheel spin. Does it work through a slipper clutch or/ fuel injector mapping or/ variable valve timing?
Thanks for the reply.

It's pretty clear on Honda Powersports (USA) https://powersports.honda.com/africatwin.aspx that the AT will be: "Offered with either a six-speed manual gearbox or a new DCT transmission with selectable on- and off-road modes, both versions have ABS standard with rear ABS on/off and Honda Selectable Torque Control (HSTC). "

"Torque control" is a curious choice of names since TC systems modulate power to the rear wheel to control slippage, or traction. Anyway, traction control on motorcycles uses the ECU (through ignition timing, fuel delivery or throttle position) to adjust the engine speed so the rear wheel is turning at the same or pre-set (per rider choice of level) amount faster, than the front wheel. The AT will probably get a three level TC (as the Crosstourer) plus OFF.

For an excellent discussion of motorcycle TC: https://rideapart.com/articles/motorcycle-traction-control-work
 

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It's pretty clear on Honda Powersports (USA) https://powersports.honda.com/africatwin.aspx that the AT will be: "Offered with either a six-speed manual gearbox or a new DCT transmission with selectable on- and off-road modes, both versions have ABS standard with rear ABS on/off and Honda Selectable Torque Control (HSTC). "

"Torque control" is a curious choice of names since TC systems modulate power to the rear wheel to control slippage, or traction. Anyway, traction control on motorcycles uses the ECU (through ignition timing, fuel delivery or throttle position) to adjust the engine speed so the rear wheel is turning at the same or pre-set (per rider choice of level) amount faster, than the front wheel. The AT will probably get a three level TC (as the Crosstourer) plus OFF.

For an excellent discussion of motorcycle TC: https://rideapart.com/articles/motorcycle-traction-control-work
I would imagine Torque control is the perfect name if they're cutting ignition spark to keep wheel speeds in check.
 

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I think you are correct that ABS and HSTC will "standard" on both the 6 spd and DCT models.

Great article about how traction control works - thanks. I also found a schematic of the HSTC system on another post in this forum.
 

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JustPlainBillO, very interesting. I see the Crosstourer does not seem to use the IMU. Perhaps Honda has different spec levels for the traction control based on the intended use of the machine.
 

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JustPlainBillO, very interesting. I see the Crosstourer does not seem to use the IMU. Perhaps Honda has different spec levels for the traction control based on the intended use of the machine.
I imagine that because the Crosstourer is a 5 year old design and Bosch IMU has only been out (for consumer motorcycles) a year or so, it's a little late for the CT. At present just a few high dollar BMW, Ducati, Yamaha (R1M) models have it - nothing costing as little as the AT's $13K US. So don't expect it at that price level for a few years. But, if it's as good as it sounds (Bosch says every kind of riding - dirt riding to race track can be made safer with IMU) , sooner or later consumer demand (if not legislative action) will make it available for most bikes.
 

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ABS will be mandatory in 2016, so its possible that Spain and Portugal get to choose non-ABS before that. Also this means that bikes will be delivered before 2016 :)

Edit: and congrats! I ordered mine in August :)

I ordered mine in September with expected delivery date in December, but they already informed me that go be available only at the beginning of January.
My version is without ABS and I think it is not binding in Portugal. (I can not imagine having a bike with ABS)
 
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