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Ok, so I've had my 2017 AT DCT for some time now and I've gotten to that point where I still like it, but I'm not in love with it anymore. The newness of the relationship has worn off. The routine has become mundane. In short, the honeymoon is over and the day to day act of living with her has become a little overly routine - the excitement just isn't there as much as it used to be. I find myself preoccupied with other machines. Younger, slimmer more fit machines. Machines that inspire me to dream again. Machines that stir the soul and cause my mind to race, not to mention sleepless nights watching video after video mesmerised by every conceivable aspect and angle and use of the machine. I'm haunted by these things.... Looking at all the things I'd like to do with the old girl and then comparing it to younger, more lustful and attractive machines... I'm kind of left with this dilemma of investing more and more of myself (and my money) or go with something younger and more exciting? Keeping her would mean considerable investments of time and money (new tires, a new seat, a high fender kit). But then in doing so, I'd still be left with a heavy beast that is cumbersome and awkward on play dates, and never really fits in with my friends and their younger steeds. So, what have I been thinking of? The "halfrica' twin - the Honda 250 Rally. I really like how this bike looks. It's got beautiful lines, long legs, and curves that just seem to call to me. Yes, it's down on power, but it's also down on weight and expense. I don't tour as much as I'd like too - far too many obligations and not nearly enough time to enjoy it. And, most of the time I spend riding around on backroads cruising at 60 mph. I'm not the speed junky I once was, and as I get older the more I think about lighter more nimble machines. I only have room in the garage for one. So, what would you do? Neither have cruise control. Both have ABS. Both can handle the kind of riding I'm doing. So, this is my mid-bike crisis. Any thoughts?
 

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I was thinking along similar lines awhile back. I came to the conclusion that I would not be happy on that 250. The crf450l has been on my radar.

The thing is, I'm in a situation where I can only have one bike right now so when I weigh everything, my AT is perfect for what and where I want to go.

I'm very curious about the AT 790 if that happens. I'm watching closely the Norden 901..... I've got another 80,000 miles I want to get on my '17 before I make a jump. Who knows what will be available then, or if I'll be able to get a second bike.

I'd spend a lot of time researching the Honda crf250l and rally. I don't want to say they're junk, but by guys I respect, they're junk. Maybe as a first bike....


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That is an absolutely beautiful machine. And you're right about the research bit... my problem is that I find myself looking for unicorns. I know there is no such thing as the perfect bike, but I can't help but to look for it anyways. If only the 450 or the 650 came as a rally machine. The KTM 790 checks a lot of boxes, but I've read a lot of bad reviews too. For now, I'll keep looking and dreaming and debating. If only the T700 wasn't such a pig.
 

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I've been watching that one as well. I'm not thrilled with those cast wheels and I've heard a lot of bad things about KTM's cheaper bikes. One of my major concerns is dealer networks. I had a Triumph Tiger 800 XC before and getting it served was a major pain. So, that's something I'm taking into account.
 

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I've been watching that one as well. I'm not thrilled with those cast wheels and I've heard a lot of bad things about KTM's cheaper bikes. One of my major concerns is dealer networks. I had a Triumph Tiger 800 XC before and getting it served was a major pain. So, that's something I'm taking into account.
RE network: I hear ya. That is one reason why I gave up on Aprilia, and for the same reason, avoided (reluctantly) Moto Guzzi.
 

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I've been watching that one as well. I'm not thrilled with those cast wheels and I've heard a lot of bad things about KTM's cheaper bikes. One of my major concerns is dealer networks. I had a Triumph Tiger 800 XC before and getting it served was a major pain. So, that's something I'm taking into account.
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I think my biggest problem is that every 3-4 years I just want a new bike. My riding interests change. I started with dirt bikes, did the sport bike thing, did the cruiser thing, did the ADV thing, and now find myself wanting to go back to dirt a little more. Although, I have to admit, I really like the new Indiana FTR Scrambler. I haven't had a Scrambler yet...
 

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One of my major concerns is dealer networks. I had a Triumph Tiger 800 XC before and getting it served was a major pain. So, that's something I'm taking into account.
That was one of the considerations for me when I traded the 650 V-Strom. The closest Suzuki dealer is 50 miles from here. The nearest Honda dealer is on the other side of the city. An 800cc Africa Twin would have been great. The NC-750 just didn't do it.
 

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I've been watching that one as well. I'm not thrilled with those cast wheels and I've heard a lot of bad things about KTM's cheaper bikes. One of my major concerns is dealer networks. I had a Triumph Tiger 800 XC before and getting it served was a major pain. So, that's something I'm taking into account.
Another thought I had was just to find a used drz. Get a second set of supermoto wheels for it.

I totally get it tho. I lust after so many bikes. But I know myself well, and my AT really checks off so many boxes. I'd regret selling it as soon as the newness of another bike wears off.
 

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I've been watching that one as well. I'm not thrilled with those cast wheels and I've heard a lot of bad things about KTM's cheaper bikes. One of my major concerns is dealer networks. I had a Triumph Tiger 800 XC before and getting it served was a major pain. So, that's something I'm taking into account.
This bike interested me because reading the reviews, it doesn't seem that they cheaped out on tech and components. I mean obviously it is built to a price point, but it is nicely appointed for that price point. Not like the BMW 310GS where there are obvious signs of cost-cutting. I would say the same of the Ducatti Scrambler. It just seems cheap in the wrong places.

Network is always an issue. Perhaps the network isn't so good for the bigger KTM's twins. With KTM small bikes, the network it isn't bad. Certainly better than Triumph/Ducati/BMW/Aprilia/Moto Guzzi. I have had luck finding KTM shops in remote areas that can service the small ones. By contrast, the nearest dealerships for those other brands mentioned are sometimes 100's of miles away. Sometimes several states away.

Edit: Probably a big part of my interest in the 390 is that one of the bikes I really regret selling was my 2016 KTM 690 Enduro. I thought at the time that I didn't need two bikes the 690 and the Africa Twin and wanted to consolidate down to one bike for awhile. So I sold the 690 Enduro and the 2016 AT I had and purchased the 2019 ATAS.

I also wouldn't mind having a Zero as a second bike, but I don't know if I could justify the price right now for a "fling" :)
 

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I understand that itch Mcmu72. We at the Forum probably all get it at least once. I came from the "last bike I would ever need to own": A CB1100. A really rock solid bike in its class. Then I bought the NC750X to play the daily grunt role. That led me to consolidate to the then, ungodly ugly AT. My AT is a thing of beauty. It will likely be the last bike I would ever need to own.
 

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Oh don't get me started on the optimum number of bikes.... I say at least 5. One ADV, one cruiser, one classic, one dirt, and one unique one just for the **** of it (possibly an electric because I think those are really cool and will eventually bring a whole new crowd to the scene - look at all the electric bicycles already selling like crazy).

As for the 390, I like that bike but would really need to acquaint myself with it in person a bit before throwing any money at it. It seems to me to be a bit too roady for what I'm looking for.

My ideally, what I'd love to have honda or one of the big four make is something like the British-made CCM GP450. For those not familiar with it, check this article:

What a stunningly beautiful machine.
 
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