That's got to be so true.The suspension with stock springs will be near fully collapsed with that weight.
Here, I agree 100%. I too find the OEM suspension just fine. It's a very comfortable bike to ride--can go for hours. Maybe it's an age thing, but I like it a bit on the soft side. And riding around town, in 2nd or 3rd, it feels to me, for all the world, like I'm riding a big Harley sometimes. *Plenty* of low-end torque and power and with that parallel twin with its 270 deg. crank, it even sort of mimics the sound and feel a bit--but in a nice subtle (and not so loud) way.I would say that upgrade is something to seriously consider, BUT, I try to avoid it because I do not want to ruin the comfort of the OEM suspension....
I agree with everything you said. Of course this all depends on the rider and passenger size (me 190 just under 6', her 110 just at 4'10"). My wife and I have done a little moto camping with 400ish mile one day legs on various bike, Concours, ST1300, CBR600F4 (yep two up with bags on a CBR LOL)Versys 650 (again two up with bags) and we are looking forward to many trips on the ATAS. We have a whole 500 miles on it two up already and really enjoy it.Of course it is a subjective issue and everyone have their own opinion. To my view the ATAS is nearly perfect for 2-up travelling.
It is spacious for 2 persons.............
Regarding the weight allowance; to me it does not make any sense this difference.
If the difference in between the normal AT and the ATAS is due to the extra weight of the ATAS (which is just 10Kg) then there should be a difference in max loading in between the Manual and the DCT model for both version, because there is a 10kg diff in between Manual and DCT anyway.
Regarding the fact that the US models have lower allowed loading capacity the the EU: it must be US legalisation maybe that allow less load? I really do not know.
Regarding the question for 2-up, full load travelling:
I weight 94kg, my wife is 54kg; this is 148kg. I have accessories that must be exceeding 10kg: Center stand, top case rack, full Outback crash bars. So I am at 158-160kg .... our gear must be another +10kg (helmets, winter jackets, pants, boots etc).
So, without any panniers and luggage yet, we have reached 170kg easily.
3 cases must be around 13kg alright. Each Honda side case is some 4kg and my top case is the Givi Maxia 4 which must be close to 5+ kg.
Up to now, we are at a total of 183 kg.
Well, I have never weighted our actual luggage, but I would say that it could be close to 15kg, depending the travel duration.
How the bikes handles? if you go at a logical pace while on b-roads with tight turns, there is no issue. If you push it, or if the road has bumps, then the bike is not that happy. All those with FULL preload setting. BUT I have not yet start playing with the rest adjustments; I guess that the compression dampening setting should also play a role.
I would say that upgrade is something to seriously consider, BUT, I try to avoid it because I do not want to ruin the comfort of the OEM suspension....
Good point SkipD! thanks for the advice.And for those of you who are riding loaded like this you need to be very carful of the rear wheel bearings. You can upgrade the springs and shock to handle the load and damping requirements (and make the bike perform really well remember your rider sag fully loaded needs to be between 65-70mm) but you might find the rear bearings are failing around 30,000km. There is an upgrade that you can do for the right side bearing (seems to be the one failing) . You can install a sealed double row 4204(instead of a stock 6204), you also need to replace the seal (with # 106919N-509) wiper with a 5mm one and shorten the spacer by 3mm.