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Hi all, I cant seem to find any information on what load the adventure sports can handle... does anyone have that info to share?
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The suspension with stock springs will be near fully collapsed with that weight.
That's got to be so true.

I have my ATAS rear preload set to 24 clicks up for proper rear sag for my weight plus add-ons (rider weight in gear + lower crash bars + panniers (empty) and rack + handlebar guards + center stand).

Max preload is around 35, manual says. That leaves me just 11 more clicks up for a passenger.

With my 110 lb. wife on back, maybe, just maybe, we get close to proper sag with preload maxed out. But I doubt it and that would be with empty panns. Packed up for a trip? Shee-ite!

Has anyone gone 2-up and loaded on a Twin for days? Your experiences? I can't imagine the bike isn't riding real low at the back.

BTW - My US manual shows 397 lbs (180 kg) max weight for the ATAS. For the CRF1000A/D it shows 437 lbs. (198 kg). What gives?

Gary

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BTW - My US manual shows 397 lbs (180 kg) max weight for the ATAS. For the CRF1000A/D it shows 437 lbs. (198 kg). What gives?
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The ATAS is heavier. Gross Vehicle weight should be the same for both. GVW - Bike weight = load capacity
 

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The ATAS is heavier. Gross Vehicle weight should be the same for both. GVW - Bike weight = load capacity
Right, but Petros' manual also shows the ATAS. (And the standard). And his numbers are higher.

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Regarding the weight allowance; to me it does not make any sense this difference.

If the difference in between the normal AT and the ATAS is due to the extra weight of the ATAS (which is just 10Kg) then there should be a difference in max loading in between the Manual and the DCT model for both version, because there is a 10kg diff in between Manual and DCT anyway.

Regarding the fact that the US models have lower allowed loading capacity the the EU: it must be US legalisation maybe that allow less load? I really do not know.

Regarding the question for 2-up, full load travelling:

I weight 94kg, my wife is 54kg; this is 148kg. I have accessories that must be exceeding 10kg: Center stand, top case rack, full Outback crash bars. So I am at 158-160kg .... our gear must be another +10kg (helmets, winter jackets, pants, boots etc).

So, without any panniers and luggage yet, we have reached 170kg easily.

3 cases must be around 13kg alright. Each Honda side case is some 4kg and my top case is the Givi Maxia 4 which must be close to 5+ kg.

Up to now, we are at a total of 183 kg.

Well, I have never weighted our actual luggage, but I would say that it could be close to 15kg, depending the travel duration.

How the bikes handles? if you go at a logical pace while on b-roads with tight turns, there is no issue. If you push it, or if the road has bumps, then the bike is not that happy. All those with FULL preload setting. BUT I have not yet start playing with the rest adjustments; I guess that the compression dampening setting should also play a role.

I would say that upgrade is something to seriously consider, BUT, I try to avoid it because I do not want to ruin the comfort of the OEM suspension....
 

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Thanks for the info, Petros. So, if I'm reading right, you find it manageable even loaded up a few kg over the "EU Max Weight Limit." Good to know. (And that's a full 18 kg (40 lbs.) over the "US Weight Limit)."

From what I've seen re. specs for max weight capacity on other Adventure Bikes, it appears the Adventure Sports is a bit on the low side, but I don't think any of them are designed for 2-up riding in the style of "The Long Way Round." For shorter trips, it's doable. But these bikes are more than capable of handling one rider, geared to reasonable max, for long, long rides.

I would say that upgrade is something to seriously consider, BUT, I try to avoid it because I do not want to ruin the comfort of the OEM suspension....
Here, I agree 100%. I too find the OEM suspension just fine. It's a very comfortable bike to ride--can go for hours. Maybe it's an age thing, but I like it a bit on the soft side. And riding around town, in 2nd or 3rd, it feels to me, for all the world, like I'm riding a big Harley sometimes. *Plenty* of low-end torque and power and with that parallel twin with its 270 deg. crank, it even sort of mimics the sound and feel a bit--but in a nice subtle (and not so loud) way.

It is odd that the EU bikes are rated for more weight. Maybe it is just a "legal" thing. What else could it be?

I don't do a lot of 2-up riding - so far. Nor do I carry a lot of weight. I haven't done a very long trip yet. So I am far from an expert; but if I were to gear up heavy or go for a multi-day 2-up trip, I think I'd adjust the front spring preload up too, even if I left everything else alone (compression/ rebound damping). For my current riding, I have yet to do anything but adjust my rear preload to set it for proper sag--and I find the bike handles very well thus--but again, not a lot of 2-up or heavy gear riding for me yet.

Ride Safe, Gary

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I'm 68kg in gaunch. Bike has SWM crash bars, bash plate and alu rack, touratech panier racks.
Even with sag seat properly (+16 clicks on rear) I nearly bottom the stock suspension jumping over some 4" landscape ties.
Definitely the bike needs heavier springs for 2-up.
 

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If 2-up touring, in particular had been central to my decision making prior to buying my bike in November, I would not have bought an Africa Twin. Purely my own opinion which might disagree with yours. But everything that makes the bike great (for me) makes it unsuitable. On my bike the pillion seat is superfluous and will be coming off. I'm mindful of the weight restriction for luggage, but that hardly matters as it's highly unlikely I will ever come anywhere close to carrying the weight of the average pillion. (As luggage) Panniers plus a dry-bag across the rear will be more than enough for my needs.
 

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Of course it is a subjective issue and everyone have their own opinion. To my view the ATAS is nearly perfect for 2-up travelling.

It is spacious for 2 persons
The shape of the saddle is such that the driver and pillion can move during travelling, which helps a lot
The motors has more than adequate torque for fluid and restful driving on roads with continuous tight turns.
It can handle the load of 2 persons plus luggage with ease.
Fully loaded it can travel for as long as you can take it on the highway with speeds quite close to its top speed;
And finally, it is SUPER COMFORTABLE. Both me and my wife find it much more comfortable than even the mighty Varadero.

Well, to be honest here: on the Varadero I had upgraded to HyperPro springs. So, what did I manage with that: I managed to have an adventure bike, with 80+ rear horse power and the suspension of a supermotard. What I lost? all the comfort the Varadero had with its OEM suspension. So, for the very limited cases that I wanted to push the .... mastodon on tight curvy roads, I sacrificed the ability to travel long hrs with minimal if any fatigue.

I will NOT do this mistake with the ATAS.....
 

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Of course it is a subjective issue and everyone have their own opinion. To my view the ATAS is nearly perfect for 2-up travelling.

It is spacious for 2 persons.............
I agree with everything you said. Of course this all depends on the rider and passenger size (me 190 just under 6', her 110 just at 4'10"). My wife and I have done a little moto camping with 400ish mile one day legs on various bike, Concours, ST1300, CBR600F4 (yep two up with bags on a CBR LOL)Versys 650 (again two up with bags) and we are looking forward to many trips on the ATAS. We have a whole 500 miles on it two up already and really enjoy it.

Having said that passenger weight on a tall bike magnifies the negatives of riding two up. I honestly would not want to ride two up with someone over 130 lbs on the back of the Africa Twin.
 

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Has anyone had any problems riding two up with gear on the road. Obviously you would not want to ride two up for very far on the dirt and not very fast either.
 

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Regarding the weight allowance; to me it does not make any sense this difference.

If the difference in between the normal AT and the ATAS is due to the extra weight of the ATAS (which is just 10Kg) then there should be a difference in max loading in between the Manual and the DCT model for both version, because there is a 10kg diff in between Manual and DCT anyway.

Regarding the fact that the US models have lower allowed loading capacity the the EU: it must be US legalisation maybe that allow less load? I really do not know.

Regarding the question for 2-up, full load travelling:

I weight 94kg, my wife is 54kg; this is 148kg. I have accessories that must be exceeding 10kg: Center stand, top case rack, full Outback crash bars. So I am at 158-160kg .... our gear must be another +10kg (helmets, winter jackets, pants, boots etc).

So, without any panniers and luggage yet, we have reached 170kg easily.

3 cases must be around 13kg alright. Each Honda side case is some 4kg and my top case is the Givi Maxia 4 which must be close to 5+ kg.

Up to now, we are at a total of 183 kg.

Well, I have never weighted our actual luggage, but I would say that it could be close to 15kg, depending the travel duration.

How the bikes handles? if you go at a logical pace while on b-roads with tight turns, there is no issue. If you push it, or if the road has bumps, then the bike is not that happy. All those with FULL preload setting. BUT I have not yet start playing with the rest adjustments; I guess that the compression dampening setting should also play a role.

I would say that upgrade is something to seriously consider, BUT, I try to avoid it because I do not want to ruin the comfort of the OEM suspension....

And for those of you who are riding loaded like this you need to be very carful of the rear wheel bearings. You can upgrade the springs and shock to handle the load and damping requirements (and make the bike perform really well remember your rider sag fully loaded needs to be between 65-70mm) but you might find the rear bearings are failing around 30,000km. There is an upgrade that you can do for the right side bearing (seems to be the one failing) . You can install a sealed double row 4204(instead of a stock 6204), you also need to replace the seal (with # 106919N-509) wiper with a 5mm one and shorten the spacer by 3mm.
 

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And for those of you who are riding loaded like this you need to be very carful of the rear wheel bearings. You can upgrade the springs and shock to handle the load and damping requirements (and make the bike perform really well remember your rider sag fully loaded needs to be between 65-70mm) but you might find the rear bearings are failing around 30,000km. There is an upgrade that you can do for the right side bearing (seems to be the one failing) . You can install a sealed double row 4204(instead of a stock 6204), you also need to replace the seal (with # 106919N-509) wiper with a 5mm one and shorten the spacer by 3mm.
Good point SkipD! thanks for the advice.

I usually travel that loaded 2 or 3 times per year, for less than 800km each time (remember, Greece is a small country :smile2: ) and no dirt included, still, when the time comes to change bearings, I will have this recommendation noted.
 

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Cheers Skip....will you be the 'Skippy' who is two up RTW at the moment? If so, enjoying your travels on ADVRider...if not...as you were
 

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That 397lbs/180kg weight limit worries me. The primary reason that I want to buy an ATAS/DCT is for motorcycle camping 2 up. I would be joy joy riding around town and doing the occasional weekend solo trip to a lake or campground. But mostly 70 percent of the time I would be on city streets or highway tarmac.

But every couple of months I would want to take a two up weekend camping trip with the girlfriend. Now with me at 210lbs/95kg and her at 140-160lbs/64-73kg( no comments guys) that would put us as max of 370lbs/167kg butt naked. Leaving only 37lbs/17kg left over for gear/panniers/food/tents e.t.c That does not seem like too much considering that the Givi top case and SW-motech panniers that I want to buy weigh 81lbs/37kg totally empty.

Any advise?
 
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