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Visordown thinks Yamaha will show a pre-release dual sport ADV replacement to the XT660Z Tenere based on the MT/FZ-07 platform at the EICMA show in Milan in November. http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-top-10s/2-yamaha-mt-07-ténéré That should be good news for ADV riders serious about real off road adventures. Not so good for manufacturers in that market segment (BWM, Triumph, Honda).

The existing MT/FZ-07 has 75 hp, weighs 397 lbs wet, MSRP in the US, is $7000. They do not come with ride by wire throttle, traction control or ride modes, but they could (MT/FZ-09 based models already have those features). Assuming that for the new Tenere, Yamaha re-tunes the engine for a lower torque curve, adds serious dirt ready suspension, bigger fuel tank, maybe a better seat, it would probably pick up a few pounds and lose a few horsepower and should be a formidable contender in the mid-weight ADV market. And, if Yamaha throws in RBW with TC plus ride modes, and follows their current pricing practice with MT/FZ variants, it should be priced between $8000-8500.

Imagine a dirt oriented Adventure bike, between 100-170 pounds lighter than the competition, with the same or a better power to weight ratio, priced $5000-$10000 less than any of the others. Heads at the other manufacturers' should be spinning like Linda Blair’s in the Exorcist right now.
 

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Put the crystal ball away mate. You are doing heaps of speculating - do you have any hard evidence, spec sheet.... ??? If not then ........ ! Your link to Visor Down tells you nothing!!

Remember all the early talk of what the Africa was going to weigh and how much power it would have. The illusion and speculation of the 'dream' bike continues in cyberspace while the rest of us get out and dirty on our Africas.

For all the speculating and whinging I here about the weight of different motorcycles, it's amazing how so many fall within 20 kgs of each other. If an NC 750x is over 200 kgs I doubt very much that the Yammy will go anywhere near what's been suggested. And as for your pricing...as soon as the word 'Adventure' is attached to the bike you can add another couple of grand.

Good luck to Yamaha, let's just enjoy what we have and live in the here and now!!!!!

Cheers

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Wadeo, are you complaining because so much forum talk is speculation, or because I speculated about a Yamaha product that could be very competitive to Honda's Africa Twin? Complaining about speculation on the web and $3 will get you little more than a cup of coffee at Starbucks. But complaining about competition is all wrong. Competition improves the breed. If Yamaha was pushed by Honda, Triumph, BMW to make a better ADV bike and that raises the bar, good for Yamaha. And if Honda, Triumph and BMW improve their bikes as a consequence, it's even better.

I agree that the VisorDown article was very short on facts and I was long on speculation. In my defense, I've been actively involved with motorcycles since 1959 when I was in grad school and bought a 305 Honda Dream (gateway drug) to get the closest parking to my classes. I believe I've earned the right to speculate a little (and I'm too old to ride in the dirt any more). As for spec sheets and facts, if they exist, Yamaha hasn't released them. But in response to your comments, I Googled "MT-07 Yamaha Tenere" and found this article by Andy Downes who goes even further and sets his estimated price a little higher than I did: http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2016/april/yamaha-mt-07-tnr-spied/ .

You can judge for yourself whether Downes and Motorcycle News is a good source or not, but manufacturers leak information to the press in advance of new products all the time. This article is so specific I'm inclined to think that could be the case here.


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No Bill, not everyone here speculates, in fact very few do! There is actually very useful information on these forums. That's the reason I enjoy this forum and why I visit. I don't come to read where someone who doesn't own an Africa Twin, but is pretty quick to tell everyone where Honda has gone wrong and why Yamaha has got it right. Take your "news" to a Tenere forum if you must share it!

Here's the evidence to quote you, "That should be good news for ADV riders serious about real off road adventures. Not so good for manufacturers in that market segment (BWM, Triumph, Honda)." Mate you rubbished the bike most of us here love and enjoy - what, we're not into 'real off road adventures'? That's not constructive and as I said, based on no real facts yet you write in a style like everything is factual when clearly you're guessing. Not even Visor Down carried on like you did!

My final word on the whole matter and one that gives me a good laugh; you do realise there will be no DCT on the Tenere. You won't be able to ride it anyway Bill. ;-)
 

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So this topic is correctly posted in the "Other Bikes" forum. Should people not post here? World is too full of hate for motorcyclists to crap on each other.
 

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Back in the days, when Yamaha had a 750 XTZ twin, it was nothing spectacular and it never sold or was appreciated as much as the Africa Twin. So, Yamaha is now introducing another 700cc twin? Perhaps they should simply make that 405 dry lbs 660 XTZ mono lighter. But as they can't offer a light mono cylinder, I doubt they will succeed with a twin...

I still would go for a (lighter) 660XTZ over another Yami twin. Too bad North America never got that one either.

http://motoprofi.com/motospecspictures/yamaha/xt_660_z_tenere-2008.html

 

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I liked the 660 XTZ and too would have like to seen them here. Had a KLX650C back in the mid-to-late 90's before the WR400F I had for 15 years.

A 700 Tenere has the potential to be a huge hit for many.
 

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So this topic is correctly posted in the "Other Bikes" forum. Should people not post here? World is too full of hate for motorcyclists to crap on each other.
Good move RiderMarc - I should have posted here at the start but forgot the sub-forum existed. Easy to do with only four posts since it was created.

To the best of my knowledge, there are no restrictions on who can join or participate in the forum - at least none requiring ownership of an Africa Twin and documented usage on the dirt. So until the rules change, I feel perfectly comfortable being here.

Having re-read my posts, I don't think a calm and rational reading of anything I wrote could be taken as hateful or crapping on anyone or on the Africa Twin (though the Africa Twin wouldn't know or care if I did; being without a soul). But maybe ownership creates an emotional bond for some that will permit no criticism (intentional or not) of the Africa Twin. We get a lot of that in US colleges. Well, maybe Other Bikes can be the forum free speech zone.:smile2:
 

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I had a XT660Z and was a bike that I liked a lot.

But I have to admit that this 700cc twin engine is very interesting, I did a test drive and I was impressed by this engine, ideal for a trail.

Yamaha /Honda I need a light trail bike to convince my wife to trade is Bonneville.. :)
 

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Yamaha displayed a MT-07 based T7 adventure concept bike at 2016 EICMA show. This is a link to the Kickstart article about the 11 best motorcycles at the show: http://www.bikeexif.com/eicma-2016
and to the photo. http://kickstart.bikeexif.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/yamaha-t7.jpg Quite a bit more off-road focused than earlier photos suggested. I think the response by buyers to the Africa Twin is moving the market to bikes better equipped to handle serious dirt riding. (I never saw the point of a 600 pound dual sport anyway.)
 
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