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Off to Dead Horse in 2023--Looking for Advice, Ridicule, Condemnation or Support

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Well, I have a good Army buddy who lives in North Pole, AK (yes, there really is such a place...Google it) who shames me today because I have promised for a couple of years to stop by to see him for a few days whenever I'm "in the area" and have yet to do so. Two years ago (2021) Ol' Red & I rode the Colorado BDR...1,700 miles with most of it off road. This last year (2022) I attended the Get On ADV Fest in Sturgis, SD (won't be doing that one again). So this year I pledge to my buddy and to the Forum that I will ride Ol' Red to Dead Horse and back (OMG...did I just write that?).

Yes, I did! So here's the deal. I am going to plan a trip from my home in North Carolina to Dead Horse, Alaska. I may truck Ol' Red to a good line of departure or ride her all the way...TBD. I suspect I will be doing a lot of camping. I have all (or most of) the gear I think I will need for dry camping when needed in or out of AK. I plan to carry my 44 Mag which I think I can get through Canadian customs with the right paperwork unless the laws have become so stoopid up there that nothing gets through.

The bottom line is this: I'm not getting any younger! This is a trip I have wanted to take for a couple of years now, and the bike is capable...God willing. I have almost 60 years of riding experience. I'm an Iron Butt rider. I have been across the US (west-to-east and east-to-west) several times. I'm a US Army combat veteran: there are not too many things that worry me about long distance riding. So here's the call:

I have available almost anything I would need for camping, traveling, maintaining and surviving. What I'm looking for is good advice from folks who have ridden in areas like the Dalton Highway who might help me decide what to take and what to leave behind. Bike maintenance I'm good with. Camping in AK, I could use some help. You get the idea. Drop me a question if you're not sure how to help.

Check out this guy's instructive video about Dead Horse. Looks like I'll want to turn around ASAP:


I'm looking forward to the discussion. Thanks for everyone who takes time to comment.

Best regards,

W2
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I was on my tod walking in the Scottish Highlands when I found myself surrounded by those Longhorn Aberdeen Angus cattle things. I mean literally surrounded. Looking back I think that they thought that I was the farmer or somebody who tends them. It was a quite remote place.
The coooe's. The highlands look like an amazing place to ride and camp, if it's allowed without a huge headache. I've been through there in a car. National speed limit up there is lol on those roads as well. Americans, think single lane driveway, speed limit 65mph.
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That's why I sleep in the middle of the campground. :ROFLMAO:

I wouldn't call any of the campgrounds I stayed at on the way too/from Alaska as "remote". It's not like we hiked out 50 miles alone and slept somewhere. Your talking ride up to a site in a small village worth of people. Any bear coming it will be occupied popping open coolers, car windows, bear boxes before it gets hungry enough to expend energy going after a person in a tent.

Obviously way out alone somewhere wearing ear plugs isn't best practice but even if you do, odds are you'll be perfectly fine. Bear attacks are pretty rare, they're just really scary so I think our brains add too much weight to the odds. Really you're way more likely to hit a deer or moose riding then get tent burrito'd by a brown bear.
Well erm...were you out in the woods or were you not?
Well erm...were you out in the woods or were you not?
I always keep a couple screams worth of tents between me and the proper woods :LOL:
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Bison was the most dangerous animal in the park by injury's every year.
Years ago woke up in my tent to the first light in Yellowstone NP and wondered what was casting the shadow over most of the tent, "I didn't set up next to a boulder, did I?" ... and of course it was a mountain of fur standing a few feet away, "Nice bison, no, you don't have any interest in me, no none" ...
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Slept in a tent in Africa and forgot to zip the flaps. Monkeys stole one of my shoes and dragged my sleeping bag all over. Threw everything everywhere. Pixxed myself laughing as I recovered my shoe from a tree.
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Good luck with the trip planning and riding up here. If you pass through Alberta and are looking for off-the-beaten-path places to go send me a message. Plenty to see and do near Calgary and through the Rockies. I've been up to Eagle Plains on the Dempster and across to the westernmost parts of Alaska. You'll have plenty of time to yourself on the roads and on the way north, even in high season.

As for the inevitable 'gun debate' that every post devolves into - find out what is acceptable before you come. I can assure you that having been across Canada a few times (top to bottom and side to side), it'll be completely unnecessary and likely be a reason to be turned away at the border or have your weapon seized. Good information about practices and transportation on the RCMP's website. Also, consider what is socially acceptable while traveling in another country like ours. :) We have our friendly reputation as a country for a reason - because we are.

Hope to see you up here this summer.
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As for the inevitable 'gun debate' that every post devolves into - find out what is acceptable before you come. I can assure you that having been across Canada a few times (top to bottom and side to side), it'll be completely unnecessary and likely be a reason to be turned away at the border or have your weapon seized.
This is a thoughtful reply, @superfunkomatic ... I've typically steered-clear of the "debate" but did chime-in, and my interpretation was that the OP's concern was defense against Alaskan brown bears
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This is a thoughtful reply, @superfunkomatic ... I've typically steered-clear of the "debate" but did chime-in, and my interpretation was that the OP's concern was defense against Alaskan brown bears
I endorse that from Superfunct. What a great Country and lovely people.

Some great memories of Canada but now too old to get up those big mountains.

I know that we don't wander too far from our machines when we are touring and the limitations of space prevent the carriage of climbing harnesses, crampons and Ice Axes etc.... BUT

If anybody out there wants to get off their machine and cut their mountain teeth on a big hill in Alberta then Mount Wilcox would be the place before tackling the likes of Snow Dome on the Athabasca Glacier. There is a little blue cylinder on the top of Wilcox with a few names on a piece of paper within it. The list makes interesting reading but you have to do the climb to to read it and maybe add your name.

In summer you can 'walk' it but be careful on the top. At just under 10,000 ft it's not the place to find out that you don't like exposed ridges or suffer from altitude sickness. Do not underestimate it.

In my view one of the most magic mountains I've ever been on - that includes a month in the Nepal Himalaya and countless years in the Highlands of Scotland. I don't really know why I feel that way about a pile of rock and I'm certainly not writing this to impress anybody.

Quite the opposite.

Love Canada.
Love the Canadians.

Love Alberta the Cowboy State.

PS: Got invited to the 'Big Horn' reservation by the biggest Native American I've ever met. He saw me earlier in the day going for a run and wondered WTF I was doing and why. Told me the FBI joke later and the people in the bar were shixxing themselves in case it kicked off. Not going to happen.

Loved him a massive Chief. All he needed was a big war bonnet. A warrior. He was not a threat. He is my brother.
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Remember that you can also throw you and your bike on the alaska marine highway ferry from Bellingham WA to Haines AK. Then ride on north from there. That ride on the ferry through the inside passage is beyond amazing!!!!

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Don't want to turn this post into a history lesson but I was told by the gaffer (Chief) that after they dusted Custer the tribe went into Canada and settled on the Big Horn Reservation.

He was a direct descendent of them and apparently they've still got some artifacts from the battle.

I suppose it's not that long ago history wise?

I'd be happy to be contradicted by any Canadians out there who live in the area of Big Horn but I'm sure that the big tuff guy must be well known locally. I'm talking about 1977 era and he must be now about 70 years old as I am.

Anyway he was a perfect gentleman to me despite the prejudice that prevailed in those days on all sides of the ocean.
Huge yes to the Inreach. I've had one for about 7 years and it went to Alaska as well. Priceless having the ability to text no matter where you are and if you have an accident it could save your life. Cell service is spotty in many of the places on the way. Gaia app (the subscription version) has the cell service coverage area maps for each provider which is very useful as well.
Agree. I have one in hand.
Remember that you can also throw you and your bike on the alaska marine highway ferry from Bellingham WA to Haines AK. Then ride on north from there. That ride on the ferry through the inside passage is beyond amazing!!!!

Kirk Out
I am looking at that Jim. The only drawback is the cost. > $5k one way. And that is without a cabin, basically camping on deck. I haven't decided yet because I would love to see the sights. I just need to find the $$$. Still looking...
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Fort Wainwright Medicine Hat...?
No, Fort Wainwright, AK. Our training areas were on Eielson AFB and at Delta Junction. I just remember it being hellishly cold. But the Northern Lights were beautiful. What a show.

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WeeWilly I’m a graduate of Northern Warfare Training also. I was there Nov/Dec 1980. My certificate said -35 for the nights on the glacier. Coldest place I’ve been. I’ve never been back but for 43 years have dreamed of seeing Alaska in the summer. Maybe one of these days the AT will take me
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I wrote some articles on my Alaska trip.read them.

You can not take the 44 thu Canada. We took Rem 11-87 SP . As long as the barrel is 18 inches you are OK. We purchased permits at the border and all they wanted was type barrel length,and gaudge. They never looked at them. We crossed the boarder serval times and all they wanted was our passports and gun permit.

Do not make the trip alone. You will need help in case of trouble. If you sidetrack on the Dempster,Telegraph creek ,Carmack you will need to replace your tires in Fairbanks or Achorage
It's a trip of a lifetime.

Enjoy the Ride
Ruff Rider
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People from a country with a monumental gun violence problem complaining about the gun laws of a country that doesn't have that problem. Interesting. Canada's laws are mostly in line with all of the other developed country's laws except the US so it seems naive and arrogant to suggest Canada should accommodate the wishes of a minority in the outlier country especially considering the track record the US brings to the conversation.
At the risk of pulling the thread off topic or worse, seeming impolitic, may I suggest you spend some time perusing these two websites. You may find your perception more than a little reoriented if you review the data with an open mind.


I offer this information in an honest attempt to correct what I see as misperception. I'm also happy to discuss these details off line--please PM me if you want to continue the discussion.

Ride safely out there.
Take a Garmin InReach if you are going solo. I would take overboots too.
What kind of overboots? I live in NC. We don't use things like that down here.

Curious...
Wee
I wrote some articles on my Alaska trip.read them.

You can not take the 44 thu Canada. We took Rem 11-87 SP . As long as the barrel is 18 inches you are OK. We purchased permits at the border and all they wanted was type barrel length,and gaudge. They never looked at them. We crossed the boarder serval times and all they wanted was our passports and gun permit.

Do not make the trip alone. You will need help in case of trouble. If you sidetrack on the Dempster,Telegraph creek ,Carmack you will need to replace your tires in Fairbanks or Achorage
It's a trip of a lifetime.

Enjoy the Ride
Ruff Rider
Where can I read them Ruff?
Alaska Trip Preparation and Two Moose Lake here on this forum
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At the risk of pulling the thread off topic or worse, seeming impolitic, may I suggest you spend some time perusing these two websites. You may find your perception more than a little reoriented if you review the data with an open mind.


I offer this information in an honest attempt to correct what I see as misperception. I'm also happy to discuss these details off line--please PM me if you want to continue the discussion.

Ride safely out there.
It's not a misperception that the US has approximately 35-40X the deaths from guns per Capita than Canada or that one developed country routinely has mass casualty events involving a gun and none of the others do.
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