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Rust report: 17k km, almost 8 months in on a 2022 AT DCT

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TL;DR: few spots of rust on frame and a couple rusty bolts. One spot where the paint chipped. Most bolts on the bike have no rust.

Winter is now over, even though here in Holland it's not so much winter as it is just a 'cold & wet season' from november to now.
When temps drop to around freezing point, they start salting the road. So most of the time to and from work (200km round trip) I'm riding in salty highway slush.
I've never cleaned the bike after riding it all winter, and it also doesn't stand under a roof at my house here close to the beach.

I thought I'd start documenting the appearance of rust on the bike.

Starting with the front of the bike: we have some rusty spots on the upper half of the frame, near where the Heeds crash bars mount. The rust seems to focus in this area. Rest of the frame is not affected. Marked in red is where the paint flaked off.

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Wheel is unaffected except for the tube valve nut:

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Skidplate: 2 rusty screws. Screws on bottom seem ok.

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Moving to the left side of the bike:
only footpeg area is affected, and one washer on the crash bar mount.

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Moving to the right side of the bike:
Bolt on the exhaust butterfly valve servo, and the crashbar bolt at the footpeg.
Minor spots on bolts and washers.

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The crashbars where they fell and the paint scraped off:

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And that's pretty much it for now.

I will clean the bike sometime soon, and will also need to address the chipping on the front frame.
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That does look pretty cladded.

I probably should rinse the winter road salt off the AT, likely in April sometime.
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I have no doubt that the Honda paint job is likely less than it should be, as are a number of persistent and disappointing issues with the AT's.

However, rinsing off the salt periodically (weekly at least) only seems reasonable to me. I've long known if you want your vehicle...any vehicle to survive long term in climates with significant amounts of winter driving that you gotta do your best to keep them clean. This really means undercarriage washing for 4 wheelers. All it takes is a rock to chip the paint, or salty road spray to find the sloppy work of the paint shop or whatever and oxidation is good to go!
My 2007 3-series has some surface rust on its undercarriage (nothing crazy for a car with 370k on the odo) but is otherwise fine. I've never done anything in terms of coating.

We should not let manufacturers get away with such shenanigans. Paint over steel is paint over steel regardless of how many wheels are under the steel. Not acceptable for a bike at a premium price point.

My main issue is not so much with the rusting as it is with the flaky paint.
It's no coincidence that other users report the same paint flaking issues in the same areas, like near the footpeg welds: Rusted frame welds?

For now I will sand down these little spots and paint them over. But 'Honda build quality' is something I'll never trust in again. May as well go with KTM at this point.
A motorcycle, or any vehicle for that matter is a major investment.
Why would you not want to look after your investment - that's a statement not a question.

It's probably worth having a look at page 347 of the '22 Africa Twin owners' manual..
" Caring for your vehicle"

"Frequent cleaning and polishing is important to ensure the life of your Honda. A clean vehicle makes it easier to spot potential problems. In particular, seawater and salts used to prevent ice on roads promote the formation of corrosion. Always wash your vehicle thoroughly after riding on coastal or treated roads. "

I wish motorcycle manufacturers would throw a few extra £$ at the finish of their bikes too but they don't. They just don't, and we know that. I doubt if the OP will have any luck in a warranty claim with Honda if he tells them what his maintenance schedule has been.

I would suggest buying a cheap winter hack to use during the shite weather and keeping the AT for best in nicer weather. The cost of said hack could be offset by the amount of value potentially lost from the AT by running/ruining it through the winter.

Rant over. Sorry...😞
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Anybody ordered the new 2024 Arica Twin 'Combat Edition'?
Comes with rust effect frame, faux scrapes on crash bars, bent pannier racks, half a fairing, false smash hole in headlights, 'bullet holes' in windscreen and 'mud' paint all over it.
Honda provides all the accessories to if you want to make the bike like a standard ATAS for $15000.
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For those who live in warmer climates who desire the same effect Honda produce a DIY kit containing rock salt, sharp sand , five gallons of brine and a high pressure spray gun. ;)
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A motorcycle, or any vehicle for that matter is a major investment.
Why would you not want to look after your investment - that's a statement not a question.
There may be some surface prep that is lacking following the welds. Either they need to add some additional prep steps prior to painting or some workers are cleaning up post weld better than others if it is variable.

I have tried to avoid riding my ‘22 when wet this winter to avoid the salt brine. But it is still coated in a bit of salt dust.
If there's a motorcycle with any resistance to road salt, I haven't seen it.

Canada's roads are heavily salted in winter, but due to the extreme cold and snow accumulation few motorcycles are ever exposed to it.
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Haven't bike manufacturers been using waterbased paints now like the car manufacturers use. I was told it was down to environmental issues when it comes to recycling the metals. The good old school paint was oil based but when it's burnt off it produces harmful emissions unlike water based paints. Their pols suggest that the average rider now doesn't keep a bike longer than 3-5 years. I guess for most folk it's just a disposable toy and not their only transport like it was in the 1970s.
And when a family came along a sidecar was bolted on.
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That's Olive off of 'Off The Buses' but it looks like Reg Varney driving the bike and not her husband. A scandal.
I would have been disappointed if no one from our side of the pond recognised Olive :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
Yes it doesn't look like Arthur riding.
It was 1973 holiday on the buses.
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Looks like that sidecar could double as a boat.
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Main thing to prevent rust on steel is protection. In colder climate as in Norway its highly suggested to rust protect any vehicle used on the winter roads. Cars normally have a good paint job on its auto pannels. But their underside is often not painted in the same fassion. So rust protection like Tectyl is often used. But as Tectyl and some other long lasting rust protection are black, it wont look good on the main frame of the white Africa Twin.

So I would recommend using stuff like Fluid Film (Lanolin) on MC's during the winter. This is fast and easy to put on, smells like sheep but is safe for both you, bike and the enviroment. Only 2 places to be carefull to put it, tires and brakes. Not for damage, but you just might want to be able to brake during winter. Do watch out for sheeps thou, if you ride in the fields or close to them. They will come up and smell your bike, and wonder why your so big and they so small. Thinking your one of them ;) But hey its good enough for the Shipping industry and Oil rigs, then its good enough for my bike. Even if the sheeps run up to you

Not cleaning the bike for an entire winter, I would say one would be hard stressed to find any bike with steel main frame to survive without any rust. Specially if its used every day, and stored outside. There is 1 point that draws the AT down, and thats its use of water soluble paint and somewhat thin coating. So if the paint protection is chipped, then you better fix it fast. As the paint will not stick around in water for long, and invites rust quickly. But most MC Producers are using it these days, only older bikes have oil based paint.
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Following up on the above post. In the UK there's a product called Lanoguard which seems the same or similar to Fluid Film in that it is made from sheep's wool (and smells of sheep). It's popular for the undersides of cars, and I did a search for bad reviews on youtube and din't find any - not many in car forums either, so I've given it a go under my car - professionally applied for £180 all-in. The original lanoguard was apparently black, but the latest stuff is clear and still smells the same. The manufacturer sells a compound to remove it as well.
The place that did the lanoguard specialise in applying ceramic coatings and their supplier EGL (?) has a new product just out that's designed for motorbikes - mainly bare metal areas, whereas the normal ceramic coating is for painted metals.
Mike
PS - I've had good results this year from a single coating of clear XCP on my 2019 AT which has been ridden through each winter on salt laden UK roads (and I live next to the sea)
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Main thing to prevent rust on steel is protection. In colder climate as in Norway its highly suggested to rust protect any vehicle used on the winter roads. For cars this is normally not an issue, their outside pannels are of Aluminium. They dont need to be protected, as aluminium does not rust the same way steel do. But they do need it on their steel underframe and all the hidden steel beams around. As rust protection like Tectyl is black and thick like rubber, this is a problem for bikes. How would the AT look if the main frame that is steel was covered in black rubber when the paint was white :p

So I would recommend using stuff like Fluid Film during the winter. This is fast and easy to put on, smells like sheep but is safe for both you, bike and the enviroment. Only 2 places to be carefull to put it, tires and brakes. Not for damage, but you just might want to be able to brake during winter. Do watch out for sheeps thou, if you ride in the fields or close to them. They will come up and smell your bike, and wonder why your so big and they so small. Thinking your one of them ;) But hey its good enough for the Shipping industry and Oil rigs, then its good enough for my bike. Even if the sheeps run up to you

A car that is not rust protected, and not washed at any point during a winter will rust. But as mentioned, its outside pannels (Side doors, bonnet/hood...) are made of aluminium. So not as easily spotted as on a Bike where you can easily see the main frame of the bike at all times.

Not cleaning the bike for an entire winter, I would say one would be hard stressed to find any bike with steel main frame to survive without any rust. Specially if its used every day, and stored outside. There is 1 point that draws the AT down, and thats its use of water soluble paint. So if the paint protection is chipped, then you better fix it fast. As the paint will not stick around in water for long, and invites rust quickly. But most MC Producers are using it these days, only older bikes have oil based paint.
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Polished up the spot with the Dremel and gave it a lil Hammerite (smooth white S010, it's a slightly warmer white than the white on the frame):

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Also touched up the spot at the footpegs. The camera makes the contrast between the paint colors look bigger than it does IRL.
I think the droopy drop at the bottom is a nice artistic touch, to match the shoddy welding by Honda.

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To be quite frankly I believe that is what you can expect if your are not paying more attention to the wealth of your beautiful bike, leaving it out in salty environment without washing or putting it under an outside garage is pure lack of interest in your bike, sorry
I agree you have to look after your bike. I had a few rust spots mainly on the frame welds, the bike had 4 weeks left on the warranty, the Honda dealer took photos and sent them to Honda and to my surprise they replied within 2 days and agreed to change the frame, (I was expecting a tin of touch up paint) it took a mechanic 6 days to do it. That’s what I call Great service. 2016 DCT model.
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I agree you have to look after your bike. I had a few rust spots mainly on the frame welds, the bike had 4 weeks left on the warranty, the Honda dealer took photos and sent them to Honda and to my surprise they replied within 2 days and agreed to change the frame, (I was expecting a tin of touch up paint) it took a mechanic 6 days to do it. That’s what I call Great service. 2016 DCT model.
How was the new frame? It also came in white?
That's Olive off of 'Off The Buses' but it looks like Reg Varney driving the bike and not her husband. A scandal.
Ha ha............It really does look like Olive!
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Spring ritual in full effect, rust proofing for the summer and will repeat in Autum/Fall.

swapped over some bolts and washers to Steel, and cleaned out / rust proofed / painted a fair few frame bits.

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