[DoubleThumper]

( sigh ) Unbelievable.

 

[Dado]

my experiences with 20S models are very good, it could be because we only get maybe two days of rain per year, and I almost never ride in the rain. However it is true that Sena should have designed their units to be more water proof, it is a device that is designed to be used "outdoors and in the element"
There are some aftermarket silicone covers available, and also as the guy in video mentioned a non lubricated condom should work perfect, not sure if his idea of using dielectric grease on contacts will be "good or bad idea"...it seems he is overall satisfied with Sena.

 

[Cuchulainn]

We don't get much rain here in Colorado either and it almost never rains all day, which is the kicker. Though on rare occurrences it does come down hard enough that you begin to wonder if you need to start building an Ark 🤣

But we definitely don't stop riding when it does rain either, we need to get where we are going whether on the way to or back from someplace. Traveling outside of Colorado is anyone's guess. We took a trip up to Suite St. Marie and back one year and it rained pretty much all day every day.

Sena is generally a good product and overall I do prefer them to Cardo. But that has just been a bit of an annoyance for us. I was really excited when the 50S was announced because I was really hoping it would be waterproof.

So far the only Sena I have not had an issue with is the 10U that is in my Schuberth C3 Pro. I have been thinking about picking up an E2 once they are released in the US. That at least has the option to add the Schuberth SCS2, which is manufactured for Schuberth by Sena. So maybe time to try them again after that.

I may also give those silicone covers a try over the S20/20S units we have, because if I do go with the SCS2, I would still need to mount one on my wife's helmet.

Edit: Reports of issues with the 50S/R models are hard to come by, so Sena seems to be moving in the right direction. I had been hesitant to try to 50S/R models after our troubles with the 20S/Evo. Maybe they will release the 60S soon?

 

[Dado]

Sena should rebrand and include some of these,

for rainy days and for days when it rain 🌧

 

[Cuchulainn]

Or at least have their own Sena-branded silicone covers right? The ones you posted before on e-Bay were kinda pricey and I think maybe the page was taken down? Perhaps for claiming they were Sena brand? Maybe they have popped up elsewhere.

Edit: Nevermind, I found another link. But $15 for the cover and $20 for shipping. $35 seems like a lot for a cheap silicon cover.

 

[Lee R]

We don't get much rain here in Colorado either and it almost never rains all day, which is the kicker. Though on rare occurrences it does come down hard enough that you begin to wonder if you need to start building an Ark 🤣

But we definitely don't stop riding when it does rain either, we need to get where we are going whether on the way to or back from someplace. Traveling outside of Colorado is anyone's guess. We took a trip up to Suite St. Marie and back one year and it rained pretty much all day every day.

Sena is generally a good product and overall I do prefer them to Cardo. But that has just been a bit of an annoyance for us. I was really excited when the 50S was announced because I was really hoping it would be waterproof.

So far the only Sena I have not had an issue with is the 10U that is in my Schuberth C3 Pro. I have been thinking about picking up an E2 once they are released in the US. That at least has the option to add the Schuberth SCS2, which is manufactured for Schuberth by Sena. So maybe time to try them again after that.

I may also give those silicone covers a try over the S20/20S units we have, because if I do go with the SCS2, I would still need to mount one on my wife's helmet.

Edit: Reports of issues with the 50S/R models are hard to come by, so Sena seems to be moving in the right direction. I had been hesitant to try to 50S/R models after our troubles with the 20S/Evo. Maybe they will release the 60S soon?

If those Sena's work other than getting wet I would for sure take one apart and try sealing it with some silicon or rtv gasket sealer or something, more lithium grease around the dial and then dunk it in water to test.

I've done this with inexpensive Yi security camera's and they've been outside now for years in Alabama rain and work fine. 25 dollar weatherproof camera after sealing it up.

For sure looks like the 20 series has issues. We've had no problems with the SMH-10, the 10s 10U. The 30k's haven't had enough use yet to know.

Honeslty for smaller group sizes the 10 series still gets the job done.

Cardo had to go and pull that subscription plan crap to unlock the latest one, that's not going over well at all based on comments.

 

[Cuchulainn]

The Senas do still work fine when dry, One of the two 20S Evo's never had an issue. Same with the 20S units. It seems like a bit of a coin flip. Or maybe they will all leak eventually and it is more an issue of when. Maybe not for years in some cases? I don't know. I seem to recall with the 20S that neither unit had an issue for the first year or so, but with the 20S Evo, one started acting up the very first time it rained and it wasn't a particularly hard rain.

The 20S Evo was probably the biggest disappointment. Gone was the flip-up antenna. Sena also reworked the rear USB port. Rather than stupidly flipping upwards (as the video I posted above points out), the cover on the Evo flipped down and secured much more firmly than it did on the 20S. You got the impression that Sena was aware of the water ingress issues and evolved the design to address them all right? Unfortunately no.

As I mentioned in a previous post, we did have issues with the SMH-10s as well, though granted it did take several years before the issues began. Those also work when dry, save one that would just keep resetting. But at that point, it was several years old. The issue was that unless you took them apart and blew them out with air, they sometimes wouldn't work for days.

The Cardo thing is just kind of ridiculous. They say it is so that users can buy a cheaper unit and customize it if they need more. But Cardo already has units that have Silver, Gold and Platinum level tiers and will cost you less over the years to own since they aren't tied to a subscription.

A better idea would have been taking the cell phone carrier route, giving you the units really cheap and tying them to a 2 or 3-year contract. Or selling it at the current price but allowing the purchaser to customize it with the features they want for a nominal one-time purchase per feature they wish to unlock.

 

[Lee R]

The Senas do still work fine when dry, One of the two 20S Evo's never had an issue. Same with the 20S units. It seems like a bit of a coin flip. Or maybe they will all leak eventually and it is more an issue of when. Maybe not for years in some cases? I don't know. I seem to recall with the 20S that neither unit had an issue for the first year or so, but with the 20S Evo, one started acting up the very first time it rained and it wasn't a particularly hard rain.

The 20S Evo was probably the biggest disappointment. Gone was the flip-up antenna. Sena also reworked the rear USB port. Rather than stupidly flipping upwards (as the video I posted above points out), the cover on the Evo flipped down and secured much more firmly than it did on the 20S. You got the impression that Sena was aware of the water ingress issues and evolved the design to address them all right? Unfortunately no.

As I mentioned in a previous post, we did have issues with the SMH-10s as well, though granted it did take several years before the issues began. Those also work when dry, save one that would just keep resetting. But at that point, it was several years old. The issue was that unless you took them apart and blew them out with air, they sometimes wouldn't work for days.

The Cardo thing is just kind of ridiculous. They say it is so that users can buy a cheaper unit and customize it if they need more. But Cardo already has units that have Silver, Gold and Platinum level tiers and will cost you less over the years to own since they aren't tied to a subscription.

A better idea would have been taking the cell phone carrier route, giving you the units really cheap and tying them to a 2 or 3-year contract. Or selling it at the current price but allowing the purchaser to customize it with the features they want for a nominal one-time purchase per feature they wish to unlock.

I feel like a good route then nobody has taken is getting audio recorded from the Cardo then to an app/cloud for a monthly subscription, say 5 bucks. Then you can pull that audio to add to your videos, make that app/feature awesome for people working with GoPro's on group rides. That people would I think pay for and not feel ripped off. Maybe couple that subscription like GoPro does with a discount on the latest Cardo headset to entice people to upgrade often.

 

[Cuchulainn]

That would be a really cool feature. I would have to do a lot of editing out of swear words and smack talking about other people in the group but I could see it LOL

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[DoubleThumper]

That would be a really cool feature. I would have to do a lot of editing out of swear words and smack talking about other people in the group but I could see it LOL

" ... every time Joe shifts a gear, a puff of blue smoke emits from his rear tire ... "

" ... anybody want to change places with me? I am tired of riding behind Jake and his straight pipe exhaust. I can't think!"

 

[Cuchulainn]

" ... every time Joe shifts a gear, a puff of blue smoke emits from his rear tire ... "

" ... anybody want to change places with me? I am tired of riding behind Jake and his straight pipe exhaust. I can't think!"

Just a private convo between @GrrrlX and me from time to time about a rider or three in the group. If it was only that tame though 🤣

More like "M*******g idiot needs to quit looking at his f*****g GPS every 5 f******g minutes and pay attention to the damned road in front of him." LOL

 

[Xjander2]

Wasn't one of the Italian manufacturers/badges supposed to be coming out with something along the lines of DCT? It wasn't clear exactly what it was or how it would operate but it was touted. Can't recall who it was but possibly MV Augusta

True I saw one in an article over the weekend, but it was labeled semi-automatic. I would imagine it does not operate like a DCT.

 

[DoubleThumper]

True I saw one in an article over the weekend, but it was labeled semi-automatic. I would imagine it does not operate like a DCT.

I think some riders would explore that option.

Honda has only been doing for how many decades?

And we already know the DCT in Manual Mode is almost a semi-automatic (if you are sleeping, it will automatically downshift for you).

 

[JMC7]

All true, also CVT and similar systems will be cheaper to fix.
I remember that Burgman had a "downshift button" for EXTRA passing power...how did they accomplished that on CVT?

The CVT is cheaper to fix is complete false in the sxs world. A friend had a General that the primary clutch exploded due to a bad casting and it took out the secondary, it was $1800 to fix it.

 

[Dado]

The CVT is cheaper to fix is complete false in the sxs world. A friend had a General that the primary clutch exploded due to a bad casting and it took out the secondary, it was $1800 to fix it.

If the same thing happened to a DCT the fix would have been $5800

 

[nomoss]

All true, also CVT and similar systems will be cheaper to fix.
I remember that Burgman had a "downshift button" for EXTRA passing power...how did they accomplished that on CVT?

Here’s an option: electric. Zero. No clutch, no gears. 125 mph, 200+ mile range.

 

[nomoss]

Here’s an option: electric. Zero. No clutch, no gears. 125 mph, 200+ mile range.

Don’t get me wrong I love my 2019 ATAS DCT.

 

[DiscoStu]

Wasn't one of the Italian manufacturers/badges supposed to be coming out with something along the lines of DCT? It wasn't clear exactly what it was or how it would operate but it was touted. Can't recall who it was but possibly MV Augusta

Yes. You are thinking about the MV Agusta Turismo Veloce Lusso SCS. It comes with a Rekluse clutch and up/down quick shifter. I've been eyeing the bike for a while. I think it is the closest competitor to the DCT on the market. Though I could be wrong....has happened before. I currently ride a 2020 DCT ATAS but only because I had carpal and cubital tunnel issues in my left arm. I stress had since all those symptoms are completely gone now. I think this MV could be a viable alternative, but it's dang near twice the price of the AT....but she is a hot looking bike.

 

[WELAT]

I like the DCT but opted for the manual just because it's what I wanted. I sense like many EV owners, DCT owners will "never go back".I am in no way saying that either version is better than the other.

Just for fun, I am curious how many AT DCT owners bought the AT primarily for the DCT. If manual was the only option would have bought another ADV bike or nothing at all?

BTW, I love my Tesla and may never go back to an ICE vehicle, but you never know.

 

[Fuzzcat]

Just for fun, I am curious how many AT DCT owners bought the AT primarily for the DCT.

I've already posted an identical answer couple of years but just for giggles here's a quick repeat
... Bought my AT for two reasons ...

1) Name sounded cool
2) Automatic transmission

Although it was the size of a battleship brought it home thinking I could either ride it or mount it on the wall, either way ... fortunately riding it has worked well

Test rode a Zero electric got the go-ahead to make the $18,000 purchase and didn't do it. Still thinking would be willing to acquire an electric if they can get it together. We live rurally and have unlimited space to construct a solar charging station and have the electronics / power systems background to do it. Waiting for some top Japanese player to turn the tables and make it happen