[Lee R]

I like the DCT but opted for the manual just because it's what I wanted. I sense like many EV owners, DCT owners will "never go back".I am in no way saying that either version is better than the other.

Just for fun, I am curious how many AT DCT owners bought the AT primarily for the DCT. If manual was the only option would have bought another ADV bike or nothing at all?

BTW, I love my Tesla and may never go back to an ICE vehicle, but you never know.

For me it was Electronic Suspension, CarPlay and DCT.

I'd have bought the Manual if DCT didn't exist. But I love DCT now that I have it, don't want a clutch anymore. My dad has an NC700 DCT and a CB500x. He constantly complains about not having DCT on the CB500x. Africa Twin was a bit to heavy for him for riding off pavement now that he's in his 70's. He wants another DCT!

That said it would be tough not to get a Tenere 700 now that CarPlay devices exist if DCT AT didn't. I'd just spend the difference on a aftermarket suspension set to my weight.

Honda seems to only have DCT for the NC700/750 engine, the 1100's and Goldwing. It would be awesome if they added it to some other platforms, like the 500's.

My perfect bike would actually be a Africa Twin with the 500's motor and DCT and -100lbs.

 

[DoubleThumper]

It wouldn't surprise me if Honda has or had internal projects investigating a DCT for their smaller mills.

I am sure there are some technical compromises to overcome, or there is some weakness in the business case.

Example: Why did they drop hydraulic valve lifters sooooo long ago on their prime street bikes?

 

[Dado]

Honda has been installing DCT's in their ATV/Quads and Side-by-side vehicles, combined with their 420cc, 520cc etc engines...
they're using DCT strategically so they don't hurt the sales of their bestsellers... that's why they decided Transalp will not come with DCT.

it would be interesting to know "why did they drop the 7th gear from their Wing DCT, especially on the New Touring NT1100?"

 

[AT-Dragon]

... tell more about this pay? (Am I missing something here? )

Wait! What? Did I read that right, @Dado is gonna start paying us, cool, when can we expect our checks?

 

[Lee R]

It wouldn't surprise me if Honda has or had internal projects investigating a DCT for their smaller mills.

I am sure there are some technical compromises to overcome, or there is some weakness in the business case.

Example: Why did they drop hydraulic valve lifters sooooo long ago on their prime street bikes?

I got a survey from Honda today that I left a comment about being extremely close to not buying the Africa Twin because the Pan America has hydraulic valves. I absolutely hate valve checks. Waste of my weekend or huge waste of money at dealerships. Considering at 16k miles you would do 6 in 100k miles, that would cost you somewhere around $5000-6000 just for those checks in the USA for routine maintenance. That is insane. Pan am has a huge advantage over the long run in maintenance costs.

This is why so many people just skip them and hope for the best.

The PA is 160hp with them. It used to be said that you can't have a higher output motor with them. What's Honda's excuse?

Had the Pan America been a 21/18 bike with a bit more suspension it would have been in my garage instead of the AT because of hydraulic valves. I actually favor hydraulic valves and that reduction in maintenance over something like DCT.

 

[DoubleThumper]

I got a survey from Honda today that I left a comment about being extremely close to not buying the Africa Twin because the Pan America has hydraulic valves. I absolutely hate valve checks. Waste of my weekend or huge waste of money at dealerships. Considering at 16k miles you would do 6 in 100k miles, that would cost you somewhere around $5000-6000 just for those checks in the USA for routine maintenance. That is insane. Pan am has a huge advantage over the long run in maintenance costs.

This is why so many people just skip them and hope for the best.

The PA is 160hp with them. It used to be said that you can't have a higher output motor with them. What's Honda's excuse?

Had the Pan America been a 21/18 bike with a bit more suspension it would have been in my garage instead of the AT because of hydraulic valves. I actually favor hydraulic valves and that reduction in maintenance over something like DCT.

Even more curiously: Why did Honda stop using hydraulic valves on their mid-size (650cc+) bikes back in the 80s?

 

[Moto Vita]

Even more curiously: Why did Honda stop using hydraulic valves on their mid-size (650cc+) bikes back in the 80s?

And why do some Honda cars still require mechanical valve adjustment?

 

[HondaTim]

Wasn't one of the Italian manufacturers/badges supposed to be coming out with something along the lines of DCT? It wasn't clear exactly what it was or how it would operate but it was touted. Can't recall who it was but possibly MV Augusta

MV does have an auto clutch (Rekluse makes it) option on the Tourismo Veloce but you still have to shift with your foot.

 

[Lee R]

And why do some Honda cars still require mechanical valve adjustment?

Notes for cars I’ll never buy.
It’s 2023 Honda.

 

[don67]

Notes for cars I’ll never buy.
It’s 2023 Honda.

The owner's manual for our new Hyundai Palisade also prescribes regular valve inspections.

I thought this nonsense had died with my '89 Civic. What's next? A new line of hemp-belted Brigestone tires that require revulcanization every 1,500 miles?

 

[Moto Vita]

The owner's manual for our new Hyundai Palisade also prescribes regular valve inspections.

I thought this nonsense had died with my '89 Civic. What's next? A new line of hemp-belted Brigestone tires that require revulcanization every 1,500 miles?

Nah, just inner tubes.

 

[Lee R]

The owner's manual for our new Hyundai Palisade also prescribes regular valve inspections.

I thought this nonsense had died with my '89 Civic. What's next? A new line of hemp-belted Brigestone tires that require revulcanization every 1,500 miles?

Adds valve inspection to list of things to check on next vehicle purchase.

Why are we going backwards!

 

[don67]

Adds valve inspection to list of things to check on next vehicle purchase.

That list is getting pretty long

 

[Advriderga]

I like the DCT but opted for the manual just because it's what I wanted. I sense like many EV owners, DCT owners will "never go back".I am in no way saying that either version is better than the other. Just for fun, I am curious how many AT DCT owners bought the AT primarily for the DCT. If manual was the only option would have bought another ADV bike or nothing at all? BTW, I love my Tesla and may never go back to an ICE vehicle, but you never know.

I love my DCT Honda and own 5 more motorcycles...I would put the DCT in all of them if I could...Honda made a bike that crossed the Andes full loaded pulling a large trailer as well and never failed me....50,000 grueling miles and no failures...She always got me home at night.... Michael Jones

 

[DoubleThumper]

I love my DCT Honda and own 5 more motorcycles...I would put the DCT in all of them if I could...Honda made a bike that crossed the Andes full loaded pulling a large trailer as well and never failed me....50,000 grueling miles and no failures...She always got me home at night.... Michael Jones

A big welcome to the Forum @Advriderga!

Feel free to introduce yourself at the New Member Introductions area of the Forum.

 

[Caseye]

I sold my 1250 Bandit, because I was getting quicker and quicker on it, more times than I care to remember I was seeing way over 200, looked around saw the AT, took her for a spin, I have now owned 2 At's the first a 2016, within a year exchanging it for a new new in 2020 for a 2018, both the 1000cc. Both DCT.
Have not had an issues with either bike, everyone I know who rides DCT all say the same thing, "Never going back"!

These bikes do it all, the scary thing, they're almost as quick as the ol Bandy! But hey, I'm getting over that and simply riding on.
Next would be the Rebel 1100, when I get too old to step up and swing over the AT.
Toured the top half of the South Island New Zealand last December, with the wife on her 800 Boulevard, had a ball, went everywhere we wanted to, never missed a beat over 9 days.
Love it.

 

[DoubleThumper]

I sold my 1250 Bandit, because I was getting quicker and quicker on it, more times than I care to remember I was seeing way over 200, looked around saw the AT, took her for a spin, I have now owned 2 At's the first a 2016, within a year exchanging it for a new new in 2020 for a 2018, both the 1000cc. Both DCT.
Have not had an issues with either bike, everyone I know who rides DCT all say the same thing, "Never going back"!

These bikes do it all, the scary thing, they're almost as quick as the ol Bandy! But hey, I'm getting over that and simply riding on.
Next would be the Rebel 1100, when I get too old to step up and swing over the AT.
Toured the top half of the South Island New Zealand last December, with the wife on her 800 Boulevard, had a ball, went everywhere we wanted to, never missed a beat over 9 days.
Love it.

Sounds like a good plan.

Despite the weight and size of the AT, it is still quicker than the Rebel. Nevertheless, the Rebel 1100 looks like another Honda hit.