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First off let me say I do love the DCT, yes it has some shortcomings but all in all I think it works pretty good and with time Honda will make it better.
Now with that said - It lacks finesse and probability never will have it, with the DCT it’s pretty much an all or nothing deal. Yes it will (at the right setting) stop rear wheel spin. But it does it absolutely and abruptly there’s no “middle” ground like with a clutch where you keep your RPM’s up but put very little power to the wheel. Sure it’s a real bit of a learning cure for us older riders “switching hands” as it were for absolute control of the drive from the left had to your right (clutch control to throttle control) and on the DCT it is ALL about throttle control. Tho I’m sure with time the old habits/muscle memory of manual clutch riding will give way and I’m sure I’ll be able to coax even more finesse to the rear wheel than I already do, I don’t think it will never be as much as you can get from a clutch, but, that’s were years of experience in off road kick in. Reading the line, surface, and traction to make up the slight shortcomings of the DCT.

With that said I would like to as the DCT owners in this poll about you normally use the DCT...
 

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First off I have no lack of finesse concerns or unusual jerkiness at low speeds, If I am smooth it is smooth. I do wish it would downshift sooner. It seams to need near WOT to give you a gear. I installed a G2 throttle tube to help and it certainly has, however I have conceded to pushing the button whenever I really want the gear.
 

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First off I have no lack of finesse concerns or unusual jerkiness at low speeds, If I am smooth it is smooth. I do wish it would downshift sooner. It seams to need near WOT to give you a gear. I installed a G2 throttle tube to help and it certainly has, however I have conceded to pushing the button whenever I really want the gear.
My point being it’s a set amount EVERY time sure you can set the time at when you want it it kick in, especially on the 18’s and above because of the throttle by wire. But they are set amounts and as such, of course, is not going to fit every situation off road. There is just no way to get the same variable amount from just the throttle as opposed to both the throttle AND the clutch. Say for example going up and down a series of different sloped hills one you might want to take one at 4000rpm and just go up and the next at 4000rpm but feathering the clutch a bit to reduce the power to the wheel but keep most of your speed. You are not going to stop at each hill and adjust the “P” & “T” levels on a DCT. Can you find a setting that will generally work in the conditions you are riding in, sure, especially on the newer AT’s. I brought this bike knowing that.
You say “pushing the button whenever I really want the gear” funny my 18 ATAS will NOT always let me go up a gear when in “auto” in sport mode it runs in 4th gear at 45mph and will NOT allow me to shift to 5th hit 46mph and it will but not 45mph... BUT put it in just “drive” mode and at 35mph it is in 6th gear...
Lol “DRIVE” mode is pretty much useless in my book - that “mode” short shifts worse than any rookie rider ever could.
 

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First I must qualify, I have a 17. It seams we may have different ridding style/terrain. I don't commute much so If I am riding, I am riding.

I honestly don't think that I have ever pressed the upshift button.... I am always looking for the lower gear on acceleration, say accelerating out of a tight hairpin or passing on the two lane.
 

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First I must qualify, I have a 17. It seams we may have different ridding style/terrain. I don't commute much so If I am riding, I am riding.

I honestly don't think that I have ever pressed the upshift button.... I am always looking for the lower gear on acceleration, say accelerating out of a tight hairpin or passing on the two lane.
Yea the trannys are a bit different in that the firmware changed (as far as I know the actual transmission is exactly the same)
18’s and above with the new throttle by wire have more modes to choose from.
Honestly “drive” mode is useless for me, on my ATAS it literally has me in 6th gear in about 300ft from my starting point and at 35mph.. a little over half of my commute is 35mph roads. Although I’ve never actually timed it - I would say that in ‘drive” mode it literally spends around 3 seconds in each gear and just short shifts it’s way to 5th or 6th.
Really no big deal IF the road you’re on is 45mph or faster - but having the bike in 6th at 35mph is just plain annoying.
Lol, I guess, in the end, I can really just blame this annoyance on my slow roads to work...
 

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I have a 2018. Unless I am in a real hurry, I just leave it in D. My fuel economy is definitely better that way. If I am in a more aggressive mood I'll use S1 or S3. If a lot of twisty turns and I'm riding aggressively I go with the manual mode. So about 80-90% of my riding ends up being in just plan ol' D.

I have noticed it is fairly responsive to down shifts when in D but it seems to be more of a function of how quickly I twist the throttle and/or if WOT. The DCT is what prompted me to buy the AT anyway and so far I am very happy with it. I have a 1260 Multistrada and a S1000XR ADV bikes and I have maybe only put 500 miles on them since buying my AT AS. That is a good indicator of how much I just enjoy riding the AT.
 

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I have a 2018. Unless I am in a real hurry, I just leave it in D. My fuel economy is definitely better that way. If I am in a more aggressive mood I'll use S1 or S3. If a lot of twisty turns and I'm riding aggressively I go with the manual mode. So about 80-90% of my riding ends up being in just plan ol' D.

I have noticed it is fairly responsive to down shifts when in D but it seems to be more of a function of how quickly I twist the throttle and/or if WOT. The DCT is what prompted me to buy the AT anyway and so far I am very happy with it. I have a 1260 Multistrada and a S1000XR ADV bikes and I have maybe only put 500 miles on them since buying my AT AS. That is a good indicator of how much I just enjoy riding the AT.
A good portion of my commute roads are 35mph, so D just doesn’t work for me for my dally commute, but I totally agree with you on the fuel economy point IF I could use D more often my fuel efficiency would be waaaayy better. Because D is all about getting to high gears as quick as possible and giving you the BEST fuel economy it possibly can...
 

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Well the great thing about the DCT is you can quickly override with the trigger shifters. I find that to be far faster than even using S3.

I do a lot of running at 90+ mph on the freeways here and I really only have a choice of 5 or 6th at that speed anyway. I am already at a RPM in 6th that it is pulling pretty well. Obviously if I am in 6th at 60 mph I need to drop at least 2-3 gears to get any serious pull.
 

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Sure, it is a great twist and go scooter! I wouldn't have bought the AT if it was only offered with a manual clutch and transmission. I have had several bikes with the DCT transmission and they just keep getting better and better.
 

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I am 60 years old with a 2018 ATAS DCT and being new to off road l was drawn to the fact you cannot stall it. On the black stuff l like that it has every option open to you. D mode is all but useless with the exception of slow town stuff. I ride mostly in Sport mode three but like that you can change mode as you ride with the flick of your right thumb. Then you have all the options to change gear with your left hand. For slow manovers l apply the rear break as well as throttle which gives me all the finess of a clutch l could ever need, sitting or standing. It's an awesome machine which seems to fit all scenarios l come across on and off road. I think Honda have engineered a good bike and after 40+ years of riding l won't be going back to a clutch and foot gear change any time soon.
 

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I am 60 years old with a 2018 ATAS DCT and being new to off road l was drawn to the fact you cannot stall it. On the black stuff l like that it has every option open to you. D mode is all but useless with the exception of slow town stuff. I ride mostly in Sport mode three but like that you can change mode as you ride with the flick of your right thumb. Then you have all the options to change gear with your left hand. For slow manovers l apply the rear break as well as throttle which gives me all the finess of a clutch l could ever need, sitting or standing. It's an awesome machine which seems to fit all scenarios l come across on and off road. I think Honda have engineered a good bike and after 40+ years of riding l won't be going back to a clutch and foot gear change any time soon.
Funny people ask me if I miss shifting or if it feels weird not to shift. I honestly don’t notice it’s gone... been riding since I was 7 and I’m 53 now so shifting was not even a thought when I had a clutch.. it was just something my hands and foot did, after all these years it was just automatic/muscle memory. Yea my right hand still relaxes and opens up a bit especially when slowing down and pretty much my left toe will go out and wait to be put onto the shifter that is NOT there. I imagine they will for a while... but miss it, no, I never really actively thought about shifting, so really how could I miss it.....
 

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I never really actively thought about shifting, so really how could I miss it.....
I agree with this. Shifting is more an instinctual / muscle memory thing. I never really got great pleasure out of doing it, you just do it without spending a lot of time thinking about it. shifting, not shifting. Sometimes I take one route to work, sometimes another. I don't really have a great preference and don't miss the one route when I take the other :)
 

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I would have loved to buy the DCT version, at the end of day, the relative simplicity of the old manual gearbox won me over. A lot of components need to work as intended for DCT to function. Add the high number of pages covering DCT in the AT shop manual compare to manual gearbox and the posts on the forum about undocumented features of the DCT. As I only ride for pleasure and as I say, I am happy to trade the DCT benefits, to keep things simple. Having said this, I accept the DCT is an incredible tool.
 

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I would have loved to buy the DCT version, at the end of day, the relative simplicity of the old manual gearbox won me over. A lot of components need to work as intended for DCT to function. Add the high number of pages covering DCT in the AT shop manual compare to manual gearbox and the posts on the forum about undocumented features of the DCT. As I only ride for pleasure and as I say, I am happy to trade the DCT benefits, to keep things simple. Having said this, I accept the DCT is an incredible tool.
I whole heartily agree with you it was and is a concern for me too, it is a lot of things to go right (or wrong) to make it work. But I may add there are also quite a few things to go wrong on the bike as a whole too. There are quite a few “sensors” and other electronics on the throttle by wire to get it to work. In the end tho it didn’t scare me off - most, if not all the stuff on the bike that’s need for it to run are off the shelf parts used on other bikes and been around for a while, including the DCT itself, yea the firmware is new but not the general design of the DCT. Let’s not even mention the EFI components - So unfortunately this bike is anything but simple, yea the DCT adds a few more complexity’s to it but it’s still not simple.

I will say that this is one of the first brand new bikes that I went in knowing and planning on a extended warranty, I got 5yrs total, just for my own pice of mind - a expect the best but plan for the worst scenario...
 

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As for longevity, we have a CTX700 with the DCT. It now has over 40k miles and still going strong. It has been pretty much coast to coast twice and all up down the Pacific Coast Highway multiple times. I used to commute on it from Laguna Beach to San Francisco every week (down on Monday up on Friday) with the throttle pretty much pinned WFO to keep up with traffic on the 5.

The bike has been bullet proof other than a flat battery. It was because of that bike and how reliable it and the DCT was that I bought the AT. The CTX went to my son who has been riding it as his sole transportation. He has done the last 15k of the 40k currently on it.

I hope the AT will be just as reliable.
 
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