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I went to my local Honda dealership a few days ago to put my name on the list and I am number three. They asked me DCT or standard. Uhhhhh, I don't know? I think the pros are that I don't need to clutch anymore and that it's the newest and greatest thing. The cons are that I don't get to clutch anymore and it's the newest and greatest thing. I can also add complexity, weight and cost. I think that this may be the future of motorcycle riding much like how Porsche only does PDK now but I don't know enough abut it to make a choice. Anyone else having this issue?
 

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One thing missing from factory issue Honda DCT models (and I can't understand why), is a foot shift lever. It's particularly annoying omission "off road" (and sometimes in the twisties). The problem is that when you're bouncing over rough terrain and gripping the handlebars to stay on-board, releasing your thumb from the bar to find those pesky "paddles" can be difficult and risky. Especially for guys with a lot of years riding and some deeply ingrained muscle memory using a foot shifter. It's something that can be overcome in time, but the first time you need to drop a gear and miss the paddle or worse, hit the up-shift paddle, you will understand.


The curious thing is, the 700 cc bikes (NC, CTX) and VFR1200X (Crosstourer) are pre-wired to accept for such a lever/switch and Honda sells a kit (in some markets - not the U.S.) that's easy and quick to install. It's too soon to know if the CRF-AT will be pre-wired or have such a kit available.



Of course I understand that the AT DCT is programmed to handle up and down hill shifting and possibly other off-road situations, but there are always times when the rider will want to intervene and pick his own gear and I prefer using my foot to make that choice. So if I planned to spend much time off-road on an AT, it would be an essential option. Of course, there's always the aftermarket.
 

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That is an interesting thought. I think that in a situation that requires all of my concentration my body will certainly do what it has been programmed to do all of these years and that would be to grab the imaginary clutch and foot shifter. Hmmm, more compelling concerns to go with the standard.
 

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Don't let me put you off DCT - the absence of a foot shift lever is my one and only criticism of the system and I fixed it on my NC700XD. That one change gave me all the control over the transmission I could ever want. Plus, I am getting better at using the paddle shifters on pavement, so you can teach an old dog....

Best thing to do is wait for the press and regular riders to post reviews and videos to judge for yourself whether AT with DCT will fit your riding style. And try to learn if a kit is available if it might.
 

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I've read Bills praises of the foot shift DCT a few times here. If Honda will be offering AT with that capability I will take the DCT...
 

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It should be a safe assumption that the AT will have rev-match for downshifts. Have to consider scenarios where it would be useful. If a buyer considers a situation, and finds there is no rev-matching for downshifts, the buyer may elect to go the manual xmsn route.


I am open to either the manual xmsn or the DCT for my AT; however, if the DCT does not rev-match, I just might stay with the traditional shifting manual.
 

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It should be a safe assumption that the AT will have rev-match for downshifts. Have to consider scenarios where it would be useful. If a buyer considers a situation, and finds there is no rev-matching for downshifts, the buyer may elect to go the manual xmsn route.
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That's not necessarily a safe assumption Marc. The easiest/cheapest (and therefore the choice of motorcycle manufacturers) rev matching/blipping system by the computer requires that the computer be able to control the throttle opening independent of the rider. Which means it needs a "ride by wire" system to blip. As far as we know (because the NC700 doesn't have it and the CRF-AT doesn't have it) the lack of a factory cruise control option for the AT means it doesn't have ride by wire. Thus, computer controlled rev-matching will not be possible for the AT DCT.

The only manufacturer offering down shift rev-matching capability for motorcycles I'm aware of is BMW with the Shift Assistant Pro and it's only for their ride by wire models. There are aftermarket quick shifter and power shifter systems available that either offer throttle blipping or have provisions for a throttle blipping device on both conventional and ride by wire, but they get pricey in a hurry.
 

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Great point regarding throttle cables versus a wired throttle. With the AT having throttle cables, there very much is no auto-blip or rev match. Again, bummer.


It's all good though. This has helped convince me that I really do not want the DCT. I'll stay with the traditional manual shift.


Next to research is the speed sensor. If it has a magnetic pick-up, integrating a Rostra cruise control to the AT will be a synch.
 

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So, since the press review that happened a few weeks ago in South Africa, and some AT delivers have occurred now, how are you guys feeling about the DCT?
 

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I'm inclined to go for it. I do intend to go off road and everyone sang its praises there. I'm not an aggressive rider so I don't know I'll have the same issues the journalists did on road. I also plan on riding 2 up and the smooth gear changes are a plus for passenger comfort. I'm slightly concerned that DCT will only be available in silver in the US (not confirmed yet). That might change my mind...maybe.
 

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I'm strongly considering it simply because DCT is the closest you can get to seamless shifting. Would like the foot pedal too just for feels sake.
 

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I would absolutely get the DCT. I rode a VFR with it and it is impressive. I would bet most posters on this forum are at least 22 pounds over weight, so I don't think that is a big deal. It will be a far more versatile motorcycle with the DCT. I think off road it where it will shine. Honda lists a foot shifter as an option. I would save the money, the buttons are easy to use.
 
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