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Yet another tyre thread, I know, but I haven't seen this before.

I'm planning on getting a set of TKC80s for the AT, but it turns out the sizes the AT takes are available in a TT or TL version. I know I should get the TT and I will if I can, but if I can't track them down will it matter if I get the TL version? How different is the bead on them?

This is not about the tube/tubeless discussion, I'm happy with tubes - I just want to know exactly how different the two variants of the same tyre are.
 

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dunno if this helps but I have just fitted Karoo 3 with tubes to my AT DCT and I didn't even consider if they were TT or TL

have you used TKC80's before
 

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I've seen some comments that the tube type tyres are easier to fit because they aren't so stiff at the bead, since they don't need to sit into the rim as tightly. Nice bonus, but if that's the only difference I can live with a TL.

No, I haven't used TKC80s before. Was considering the Karoo 3s as well, but wanted more edge grip on dirt and not worried about wear rates at this stage. Not used to a large Adv bike yet either, so want to go with the benchmark tyre to get a feel for how much the thing is going to move around on various surfaces. Hopefully without too many pucker moments...
 

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Tubeless can be installed on tube-type rim, not vice versa.
 

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it will move a lot. Not sure what pucker means in that context, but if you mean **** scary moments then if you ride off road you will experience a LOT of movement regardless of your tyres off road (especially gravel). You soon get used to it then you'll be talking about the moments when it DOESNT move around :)
 

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u must enjoy the 1m drift on tarmac and the vibration white finger :)
So to understand the context of your comments, what would you recommend instead, and why? What's your riding comfort zone?

Always hard to judge tyres. What's brilliant for one rider is rubbish for another - usage and expectations are hard to get a handle on from forum comments. :frown2: (Right up there with 'how good a rider are you?' and 'how hard is that track?')
 

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So to understand the context of your comments, what would you recommend instead, and why? What's your riding comfort zone?

Always hard to judge tyres. What's brilliant for one rider is rubbish for another - usage and expectations are hard to get a handle on from forum comments. :frown2: (Right up there with 'how good a rider are you?')
in my opinion it all comes down to what you expect to truly use the tyres for - if you are going to be tarmac all day with the odd day or hour or five minutes on a trail then forget off road biased tyres - go for at least a 70 - 30 combo and start there. Try Mitas for starters - incredible value. LOok at the Mitas E07 for starters.

I have had good experiences of MITAS tyres, racing the mighty E09's on my 1150GS adventure (so much better at clearing and crazy amount of grip compared to the TKC's, I've used both for years in competition, green laning and big tour rides down to Africa) - so my context for this discussion is big bike rally competition, touring, green laning, road riding - all on the off road biased tyres.

Other tyres include continental trail attacks (awful) and tourances (excellent) for road biased tyres on big bikes.

My comfort zone is anything the bike will take me over, if that helps?

But trust me on the TKC's... very aggressive looking attractive tyre - if you want that great, if not look around... enjoy your new bike :)
 

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Thanks HubA. You've made it both easier and harder! :)

I want more dirt oriented rubber than the OEMs and want to see a lot of dirt roads, but still new to the Adv thing so not really sure how much it will actually happen yet. I should probably go for a 50/50, but want more dirt riding than that.

I was keen on the Mitas E07s as a compromise, but not so much on the way the rear grips better than the front on gravel roads. Front end washouts are not my favourite thing. The TKC80s are more dirt oriented again and seem to be the yardstick, so maybe I'll go a TKC80 front and E07 rear, and get somewhere in the middle.
 

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Ive have the TKC80s (front and rear) fitted for about 500 miles so far... i ride 50/50 road/off road and have had no issues, little bit of wheel-spin now and again, but i always ride with the traction control off in the dry and setting 1/2 when wet (on road)
 
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