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I've been in touch with Outex since we're both in Japan and the kit is sold widely here and even installed at Yamaha's official dealerships. They said the bead won't unseat if pressure is lost.
http://www2s.biglobe.ne.jp/~outex/tubelesskitWMMT.htm
http://www2s.biglobe.ne.jp/~outex/tubelesskitWMMT.htm
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Interesting differing views. I guess I probably err on the side of the manufacturer, purely because I can't believe they'd make those claims if it wasn't true, because as Skip points out it is a safety critical concern.
I know one of the beauties of the Honda is it's keen price point over the techno-p*rn MTS12 and R12GS. and it has to remain competitive with it's more natural competition of Tiger 800 XRX and F800GS. But I think most of us would have preferred to have stomached a slightly higher OTR price if the wheels had stainless spokes that exited the edge of the rim like the GS / Super Tenere / MTS Enduro. It's not just the easier puncture handling, but the wider choice of pure road rubber (for anyone who doesn't want to get their AT dirty) and even cosmetically.
Can it be long before Excel wheels with stainless spokes and Talon hubs are being offered in kit form - specifically for the AT - whether you want to SuperMotard it, or actually treat it as roughly as all those lovely PR vids that whet our appetites, or simply have a dedicated set of road and off road wheels? I'll take some gold rims with black spokes please :-D
I know one of the beauties of the Honda is it's keen price point over the techno-p*rn MTS12 and R12GS. and it has to remain competitive with it's more natural competition of Tiger 800 XRX and F800GS. But I think most of us would have preferred to have stomached a slightly higher OTR price if the wheels had stainless spokes that exited the edge of the rim like the GS / Super Tenere / MTS Enduro. It's not just the easier puncture handling, but the wider choice of pure road rubber (for anyone who doesn't want to get their AT dirty) and even cosmetically.
Can it be long before Excel wheels with stainless spokes and Talon hubs are being offered in kit form - specifically for the AT - whether you want to SuperMotard it, or actually treat it as roughly as all those lovely PR vids that whet our appetites, or simply have a dedicated set of road and off road wheels? I'll take some gold rims with black spokes please :-D
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I'm seriously considering the Outex kit, next time I change tires.
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It'd be really good to hear your experience if you do - thanking you in advance...
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I noticed in another post that you said you made the change to tubeless tires. I'd be curious to learn more. Have you posted anything about it on the forum? A how-to would be awesome.
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I second superfunkomatics comments!
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The Outex just seems a lot of money for what is effectively helicopter tape which what it is, I'm lead to believe.
This probably wouldn't work.
http://www.vikingtapes.co.uk/c-169-3m-8671hs-polyurethane-protective-tape.aspx
This probably wouldn't work.
http://www.vikingtapes.co.uk/c-169-3m-8671hs-polyurethane-protective-tape.aspx
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After my 3rd flat rear tire I just ordered the Outex kit. I was fed up...
I'm in Europe and will go for this
http://www.bartubeless.it/en/bartubeless/service-workshop
next winter of course.
http://www.bartubeless.it/en/bartubeless/service-workshop
next winter of course.
I just watched a guy who did a review on that and it leaked air.
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Just happened to look at the Tubliss option today, exchanged a few emails and got some answers, very helpful.
What do I now know:
The rear Tubliss is to narrow for our rims.
They are for off-road use only.
So why can't I put one in the front? If the tyre punctured it would stay on the rim. What is the worry with using it on the road?
What do I now know:
The rear Tubliss is to narrow for our rims.
They are for off-road use only.
So why can't I put one in the front? If the tyre punctured it would stay on the rim. What is the worry with using it on the road?
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So, speculating that Honda will probably offer a tubeless rim at some time in the future, I concluded that the most likely tyre option based on available tyres would be Pirelli Scorpion Trails:
Front (1726600) 90/90 H 21 (54H) TL
Rear (2031600) 150/70 R 18 (70V) TL
and if currently bought at Motoblouz:
front = £62.95 and rear = £93.39
or have I got this totally wrong?
Front (1726600) 90/90 H 21 (54H) TL
Rear (2031600) 150/70 R 18 (70V) TL
and if currently bought at Motoblouz:
front = £62.95 and rear = £93.39
or have I got this totally wrong?
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Outex Tubeless
I sent my Wheels to Central Wheel Components Limited who are specialists in wheel building http://www.central-wheel.co.uk/ who stock and fit the OUTEX system. Unfortunately after much discussion they considered it would not be safe - for them without changing the spokes - to convert the wheels to tubeless. Not for the reasons you might think. It was nothing to do with the seating of the tyre. Look at photo.
Before they apply the Outex tape they would grind down the tops of the spokes to make it as flat and smooth as possible before sealing with the tape. The problem lies with the way the spokes are fitted, they are seated with a washer and at an angle. Should any filing down take place it may harm the integrity of the spoke. Central Wheels are specialists that only build spoked wheels.
You may wonder that you could apply the tape without altering the spokes. That may be possible but look at the photos and you can see the potential re sharp edges etc. It is one thing for an individual to take a chance but very different for a company to be liable for the risk of the conversion.
Richard Hoyland, the director of the company could not be more helpful in explaining matters and using all of the company's technical experience.
What he did say might be possible is to cut the spokes and replace them with new ones that don't use a washer. They couldn't say for certain until they have a wheel to convert because of the rare angle that the spoke sits. Anyway it would get rid of the potential corrosion issue everyone has mentioned.
If I can lay my hands on a spare set (anyone selling?) I will put them in for an experiment to see if it will work.
Hope the above was of some use.
Nemesis, did it work? My experience of looking into it below.
I sent my Wheels to Central Wheel Components Limited who are specialists in wheel building http://www.central-wheel.co.uk/ who stock and fit the OUTEX system. Unfortunately after much discussion they considered it would not be safe - for them without changing the spokes - to convert the wheels to tubeless. Not for the reasons you might think. It was nothing to do with the seating of the tyre. Look at photo.
Before they apply the Outex tape they would grind down the tops of the spokes to make it as flat and smooth as possible before sealing with the tape. The problem lies with the way the spokes are fitted, they are seated with a washer and at an angle. Should any filing down take place it may harm the integrity of the spoke. Central Wheels are specialists that only build spoked wheels.
You may wonder that you could apply the tape without altering the spokes. That may be possible but look at the photos and you can see the potential re sharp edges etc. It is one thing for an individual to take a chance but very different for a company to be liable for the risk of the conversion.
Richard Hoyland, the director of the company could not be more helpful in explaining matters and using all of the company's technical experience.
What he did say might be possible is to cut the spokes and replace them with new ones that don't use a washer. They couldn't say for certain until they have a wheel to convert because of the rare angle that the spoke sits. Anyway it would get rid of the potential corrosion issue everyone has mentioned.
If I can lay my hands on a spare set (anyone selling?) I will put them in for an experiment to see if it will work.
Hope the above was of some use.
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Alpina Tubeless Spoked Wheels for AT
These Alpina wheels look nice - tubeless spoked aluminum. About $2000 though for a pair. I would be happy to offer my unbiased review in exchange for a complimentary set.
http://www.alpina-wheels.com/shop/honda/honda-africa-twin/
These Alpina wheels look nice - tubeless spoked aluminum. About $2000 though for a pair. I would be happy to offer my unbiased review in exchange for a complimentary set.
http://www.alpina-wheels.com/shop/honda/honda-africa-twin/
What is the obsession with tubeless rims about, please? Is this a concern mostly for people that won't be riding off-road, reducing their tyre choice (in which case, just get an 'adventure' bike like a GS)? Or are people worried about their unsprung weight (in which case get a Panigale with carbon rims)?
I can't think of any reason why I would choose tubeless to go off-road on mine.
I can't think of any reason why I would choose tubeless to go off-road on mine.
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I use my bike 250 days a year to commute to work.
When I have a flat with a tubeless tire, I'm 15 minutes late.
If I have a flat with a tube, I'll be having a lot of explaining to do when I eventually arrive at work...
Statements like 'get a GS instead' I find a bit ridiculous and besides the point.
It's perfectly sensible for some people to prefer tubeless and therefor discus possible solutions to -at least for some of us- improve our bikes.
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