with tools and practice! or you just slime it...
welcome to the forum!
welcome to the forum!
You obviously don't do many miles because for me and most of my acquaintances, punctures occur often enough to be a consideration. With most punctures in a tubeless tyre being repairable in minutes without wheel removal, I prefer tubeless tyres. Why would you want to either remove wheels and replace inner tubes or fill them with preventative gunge. Isn't this why other manufacturers use spoke wheels for strength and reparability but of a design that allows tubeless tyres to be fitted?A deal breaker? Not surely...
Think about it this way, how often do you get a flat during regular road riding?
I just feel that here and elsewhere there has been a ton of worry expressed about a typically rare situation.
A) The added cost of tubeless spoke rims to a volume buyer like Honda wouldn't be much greater (like $5 each?) than tube type rims. My understanding is that aluminum alloy rims are made of extruded material, formed into a ring, welded, then ground and polished. Machining operations (spoke, rim locks and valve stem holes, as needed) follow. Those processes are the same for tube and tubeless rims. Unless tubeless rims are patented and royalty payment are involved, the only difference in manufacturing would be they require additional aluminum, so would cost slightly more. For complete wheels, longer spokes are needed but that cost is really negligible. But if "content triage" is your term for Honda "cheaping out" Nessuno, maybe you're on to something. :wink2:A) fairly certain spoked wheels that accommodate tubeless tires are more expensive. It may have been content triage for all we know.
B) Where are you riding on the road that you experience flats regularly? Do you people not look out for debris and such, please don't equate your puncture ratio with how many miles I lay down (theres next to no corroboration big guy)
I don't think we need to take a poll, however, I'm sure that as riders and drivers, most will have experienced more punctures on bikes than other types of vehicle. Personally, most of my punctures have been due to screws and nails that I couldn't have possibly seen or avoided. Nobody deliberately rides over debris.A) fairly certain spoked wheels that accommodate tubeless tires are more expensive. It may have been content triage for all we know.
B) Where are you riding on the road that you experience flats regularly? Do you people not look out for debris and such, please don't equate your puncture ratio with how many miles I lay down (theres next to no corroboration big guy)
Only an update: add Honda's VFR1200X Crosstourer to the list of ADV bikes sporting tubeless, wire spoke wheels. So Honda is already using those rims on it's flagship model, but chose not to put them on the AT. I'm sure there's a marketing engineer ready to explain how tube tires are a benefit in the outback where ingenious mechanics knit inner tubes from weeds (after hammer welding a broken steel frame) :grin2: but I'm inclined to put it on the bean counters.Apparently, the choice of tubed or tubeless tires is one of those emotionally charged, irreconcilable issues -- like motor oil and politics. But, since you can use inner tubes in most, if not all tubeless motorcycle tires, Honda could have provided "tubeless" wire spoke wheels with the spokes outboard of the air chamber (same as R1200GS, SuperTenere, others do) and allowed owners to choose tube or tubeless tires. In fact, if your bike had tubeless rims and tires and bent a rim out in the bush, you could pop a tube in, inflate it and go on your way. Of course you'd need a tube and pump but so do the tube tire guys.
Haha... yeah, I think it is probably partly cost, and partly Honda wanting to sell this as a true off-road bike. Most smaller off-road bikes run tubes, so there's your excuse for saving the cash right there.Only an update: add Honda's VFR1200X Crosstourer to the list of ADV bikes sporting tubeless, wire spoke wheels. So Honda is already using those rims on it's flagship model, but chose not to put them on the AT. I'm sure there's a marketing engineer ready to explain how tube tires are a benefit in the outback where ingenious mechanics knit inner tubes from weeds (after hammer welding a broken steel frame) :grin2: but I'm inclined to put it on the bean counters.