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Newbie with Questions on the Africa Twin DCT

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#1 · (Edited)
Hi, I bought a new 2016 Africa Twin DCT and just finished reading the manual. I have a few questions left over. I called Honda to ask and they said call the dealer, but I had already asked them. Wondered if someone here might know. In Sport Mode, level 3 is the highest performance? On the Torque control, level 3 reduces the rear tires from spinning the most? Is that where I want to leave it? Why would I want to change that setting? When would I want to change the G switch and why? Is there a combination of the three pretty controls (Sport, Torque & G) that are optimal for on-road performance? Or for off-road performance? Do I need to change any of these settings when I go from a paved road to an unpaved dirt road? Are the brakes ABS AND linked on this model? If so, does this help prevent an endo in a panic stop? I'm 265lbs, is there an optimal setting for the suspension? Thanks in advance! (I tried to make paragraphs but the software wouldn't let me)
 
#2 ·
I've played around with the traction control on gravel, my findings:
Level 3 is like an over-protective nanny, it will stop pretty much all wheel-spin on gravel and make it feel like your bike has the power of a 100cc bike.
Level 2 is much better, some wheel-spin, feels like you have a more powerful bike, but with control over excessive wheel-spin.
Level 1 is much looser, you can feel the rear wheel going sideways as is spins - you definitely want to be careful with the application of throttle with only level 1 TC.

G mode is for gravel or dirt, it changes how the clutch engages. Supposedly putting it into G mode is the best for dirt/gravel/loose surfaces and turning it off is best for a sealed road.

I haven't seen any mention anywhere of the AT having linked brakes, I suspect that on an adventure bike you want a little more control and therefore want the front and rear brakes to be completely independent. If I'm wrong then would someone more knowledgeable please correct me.

DCT Modes:
D - Don't use*.
S1 - a good all-round mode, works well.
S2 - good for sportier riding, will hold in lower gears longer.
S3 - for when you want to ride more aggressively, will let you hold lower gears way longer. Good for maximum acceleration and maximum engine braking.
On M, D, S1, S2 & S3 the up/down gear selectors on the left side work - you can get the bike to change up or down gears even when not in M mode.

* Note: you can use D mode if you want, but I wouldn't. I found it changed up gears too early and would put the bike in such a high gear that it was useless. By 60kph it had the bike in 6th gear, I was much happier in 5th at that speed like S1 went with.
 
#4 ·
My own experience - on roads only re DCT -

D is next to useless for me unless I am on my gravel drive, or in heavy stop start traffic - otherwise mine lives in S2. For me this is an OK compromise - so I am in S2 95% of the time. The DCT 'learns ' this so on a one click it will change between those 2 settings. This suits me, then if on the very odd occasion I want S1 I hold in and let it cycle through modes to what I want. I often think to try it in M mode but never seem to get around to it in coming up 5k miles. On roads T has always been in 3 - or nanny mode if you like!
John
 
#6 ·
For long straight stretches of tarmac, I cruise in D. According to Honda it is the most fuel efficient mode. Might as well save gas of the boring sections, but go to S1 or 2 for the funner sections. I haven't played in S3 much yet, but it does seem like fun for more spirited riding, as is manual mode.
 
#8 ·
You are correct on the traction control and the sport modes. The ABS can be turned off to the rear wheel by holding the button for a few seconds. This will allow you to slide the rear tire into a corner, or on a downhill if you want to, while still retaining ABS on the front. G button, or Gravel mode is supposed to be better for the off road stuff, I use it, but I'm not sure just what the differences are. I figure the 6 figure design engineers are probably doing that for a reason. As for the traction control in the dirt, I find that in any kind of rough uphill corners, or in any sand it just cuts off the power. I just turn it off in the dirt, but you have to use throttle control because it can most certainly get away from you in a corner. S-2 seems just right to me for how I like to ride. It will still respond to throttle and brake input and shift accordingly. The paddle shifters will still work, but I find if I want to upshift on a long downhill with the throttle off, once I force an upshift it will no longer hold the gear until I force a downshift again. Say I want to go to 3rd coasting down a hill and paddle shift from 2nd, it will soon go to 4th even 5th, but once it goes to 4th, if I shift back to 3rd it will stay there and I get the gear I want, at least until I throttle up, or slow down. Note, you have to stop to set Gravel mode, or turn off the rear ABS. Hope that helps.
 
#9 ·
I did a very unscientific test with G mode on my ATAS, its new to me so still getting used to the DCT. Anyways the entrance to my garage is up a steep short muddy (in wet) incline and I found getting the bike up seemed to take more revs than I was expecting in D (non-G) being used to riding manual clutch bikes up the same rise. So put it in G as my dealer at handover told me it gave a more direct drive via the clutches. And I have to say it did feel like the clutch(s) wasn't slipping as much as it did in normal mode though still not as direct as a manual gearbox/clutch. ...
 
#10 ·
Jarrett - Obviously, you will get a lot of different opinions, but for what it is worth, here's one more. In summary, I agree 99% with what KiwiMark wrote.

For me, I ride as follows:
On Road - TC to 3, Mode to S1 (change to S2 or S3 if you want to be more aggressive)
Off Road (not in sand) - TC to 1, mode S1, G Mode on (I have found TC set to 1 is a good balance between getting power down with minimal wheels spin, but it is not so aggressive that it inhibits getting up slippery hills OK)
Off Road in sand - TC 1 and manual gear mode so that I don't get any unexpected gear changes