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All of the Honda parents for the superchared motor submitted ro the Japanese parents office show it is based on the AT, clear as day. BTW, what is the "Talon"?
You talking patent drawings? I've seen patent drawings in the past that never went anywhere.
The Talon is the Honda sport side by side (uses the same basic engine), off-road 4-wheeled thing like a Polaris RZR. This is undoubtedly the first platform to see a supercharger.

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You talking patent drawings? I've seen patent drawings in the past that never went anywhere.
The Talon is the Honda sport side by side (uses the same basic engine), off-road 4-wheeled thing like a Polaris RZR. This is undoubtedly the first platform to see a supercharger.

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WOW!~ Love the look of that device! AT motor, too, you say . . . WOW, what a package even withoiut the supercharger.
 
WOW!~ Love the look of that device! AT motor, too, you say . . . WOW, what a package even withoiut the supercharger.
You can see where something like that would be a perfect fit for forced induction. I'd bet it needs all the power it can get, especially in sand. The rest of the field is currently using turbo charging in some models I believe.
 
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Africa frame is weak , and the whole structure is not suitable for more power .
I'd be interested to reason why you say that. I think, if it was true, Honda would see that as a no-brainer to beef up the frame for more power. They are an engineering led company after all.
 
Well, from my experience, the bracket that supports the heavy instrument pod is way under-designed. Broke mine at 9,000 miles.

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Here is the saga on fixing and re-enforcing it, so that it does not happen again. Link

Rest of the frame has held up to significant abuse, though, bouncing a 300+ lb hack out and around the Arizona deserts. I don't think it is a weak frame, other than that stupid bracket. That was just plain sad.
 
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Well, from my experience, the bracket that supports the heavy instrument pod is way under-designed. Broke mine at 9,000 miles.

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Here is the saga on fixing and re-enforcing it, so that it does not happen again. Link

Rest of the frame has held up to significant abuse, though, bouncing a 300+ lb hack out and around the Arizona deserts. I don't think it is a weak frame, other than that stupid bracket. That was just plain sad.
Very interesting Beowulf, thanks for this. You say you pound around the desert so great to hear no major issues. Is this issue widely reported or not so common?
 
Very interesting Beowulf, thanks for this. You say you pound around the desert so great to hear no major issues. Is this issue widely reported or not so common?
I think I am the only one that I have heard of having this issue.

It broke while I was still fooling around with spring rates on the front leading link shocks. It was way undersprung, and bottomed hard on a deep pothole on a dirt road. That is when it snapped the bracket.

I think the bracket is about the worst engineering on the bike, from Honda. 3mm thick sheet metal formed and welded to the steering head. Snapped off right above each weld.

Of course having a sidecar on an AT voids the Honda warranty, so I did not take it up with them; I just bought a TIG welder, fabbed up a 10mm solid steel brace to go on the inside of the pathetic little sheet metal bracket, and welded it up.

The instrument pod, with the windshield installed, weighs a little over 10kg. That is a lot of weight to be supported by that one little bracket.

Mine was an anomaly, as far as I can tell, but it still pissed me off.
 
I think I am the only one that I have heard of having this issue.

It broke while I was still fooling around with spring rates on the front leading link shocks. It was way undersprung, and bottomed hard on a deep pothole on a dirt road. That is when it snapped the bracket.

I think the bracket is about the worst engineering on the bike, from Honda. 3mm thick sheet metal formed and welded to the steering head. Snapped off right above each weld.

Of course having a sidecar on an AT voids the Honda warranty, so I did not take it up with them; I just bought a TIG welder, fabbed up a 10mm solid steel brace to go on the inside of the pathetic little sheet metal bracket, and welded it up.

The instrument pod, with the windshield installed, weighs a little over 10kg. That is a lot of weight to be supported by that one little bracket.

Mine was an anomaly, as far as I can tell, but it still pissed me off.
Thanks for the full detail Beowulf, much appreciated.
 
Good words Radar, you make some great points. I'd just add that I think Honda, for people with similar needs to yours, would continue to offer the base AT with 21" front wheel and standard motor. IF, and it is still an IF, they offer the supercharged model it would likely be just on the ATAS with the road going stuff. That's more than likely the segment that would embrace the model and, frankly, an s/c makes ultimate sense on the road rather then the trail.

Lastly, being the engineering led company it is, Honda would not release such an animal like a supercharged AT/NT unless it was convinced and satisfied it was completely reliable. Hence the fact they've had this patent for 5 years now and it hasn't seen the light of day yet. 2016 could be the year I reckon. They have a history on this point with which I, for one, am entirely trusting and comfortable. The software would deal with shitty fuel in 3rd world nations by taming back the power in low octane mixes. That classic Honda 'protection' would never sleep. Yeah, I think it could be a real goer for them in their chosen market segment and would solve more issues than it creates.
2016?🤔
 
Well, I suppose some may consider my title as clickbait but I would say I've offered it up to you all as something to simply warm your heart with some anticipatory good reading ;) Please, bear with me and I'll explain my bold prognostication on that title . . .

I've been seriously considering an ATAS DCT since I rode a new 2023 model about this time last year. I'm coming from a Ducati Multistrada 1200 I've had since new in 2014. It has been woefully unreliable, intractable down low (agricultural even) and I'm always worrying the low build quality will let me down at the worst time. So, with the intro of the '24 model and significantly lower seat heights (19" wheel + low seat) the time looked right to get back to my first love - Honda.

As I researched I read up on AT history, release dates, incremental model improvement details relating to timeline and found the sites with the info about the Japanese patent Honda has for the supercharger on the 1100 twin motor. All this, plus more, started to form a convincing picture that the 2026 model was always going to be something very special. So special, in fact, that the changes to be wrought across the 2026MY would rate right up there with the introduction of the DCT on the AT.

Let's firstly review a number of facts:
1) the current AT platform dates back to 2016
2) in 2016 a major engine change (P-twin introduced) was part of the new platform.
3) the current Africa Twin generally receives great reviews from testers, who report it has ideal power and torque for offroad use. However a common 'complaint' or, at least 'comment' is that it needs more power for road trips with high demands, like with a passenger and luggage. Indeed, it is well behind the competition in this regard.
4) Honda has had fully resolved engineering patents for a supercharged P-twin engine lodged in Japan since 2019. This has afforded Honda 5 years development on the supercharged application .
5) given the last major change to the AT platform and motor was 2016 then it seems inevitable that if Honda is going to introduce a major change soon it would be for the 10 year anniversary in 2026.
6) The 2025MY AT has now been released. it is quite telling, to me at least, that they've spent no money on it except for new colours and stripes. On a flagship it is rare to have this happen 2 or more years consecutively. History would conclude a major change coming the year after as resources are preserved in releasing
such minimal change as the 2025MY.

So, in my estimation, the facts appear to converge on a supercharged AT for the 2026MY. I don't have any inside info, aside from the articles I've seen on the Japanese patents. It does, however, make a hell of a lot of sense for Honda to do this as it is, apparently, developing a quite unique application of their supercharger. we all know a DCT can win a traffic light derby against almost any other bike. up to about 60-80 kph (35-50mph) there isn't much that will stay with a DCT AT due to the no wasted time in gear changes PLUS a motor designed to specifically give its best down low and mid range.

Now, take that inherent strength of an under-stressed P-twin and add a supercharger that is designed to provide power specifically where it currently lacks both power AND torque in comparison to the competition - higher engine and road speeds. A supercharged AT motor would not only provide for extra grunt all the way through the powerband (esp up high) but would allow Honda to pass ever more stringent fuel economy demands into the future. Simply enlarging it to 1200 or 1250cc wouldn't achieve this aim. A supercharger can, theoretically, provide better fuel economy (through software control) AND increase power outputs better than growing the capacity to 1250cc or more.

It is called a supercharger in the patents however looking at the design it has an inconel turbocharger scroll within the housing - some type of hybrid? This could point to a unique 'on demand' supercharger diverging from the traditional concept of 'always on from zero rpm'. This way, like a turbocharger, the boost doesn't occur in meaningful amounts until there's demand. I'd imagine it would be a low boost setup very much UNLIKE the Kawasaki H2 which only delivers boost at quite high rpm for 200hp+.

The true nature of this new hybrid super/turbocharger can only be speculated upon at this stage, of course, but if there's one thing Honda knows how to do well - when they put their mind to it - it is to surprise to the upside regarding engineering. AT is their flagship, so it is critical in many ways to the company. I'd bet they won't be holding the budget back to stay more than competitive with a major platform refresh/redesign including motor for the very important 10 year anniversary of their best on/off road flagship. The fact they've recently updated the top level model to a 19" front wheel speaks volumes. It means they are positioning the bike to be better/more competitive ON road. The supercharger is also a step in this ON road capability course. Off roading doesn't call for any more power than 100hp, that's for sure. With the ON road capability now receiving the lion's share of focus and development, don't be surprised at all to see the word 'Supercharged' proudly brandished around in Honda's 2026 AT bulletins and marketing. We should all know for sure around Sept'25.

What does everyone else think? Is there a supercharged AT in your future? :cool:
Another nonsense thread.
 
It would go in the Talon side by side first. Then the NT1100 or Rebel, maybe. The AT will never see it.
Agreed, thank you.
I happens every time, someone comes across it, they done a patent for a supercharger and a turbo for that motor. NOT for the bike it’s for the sxs. If they were to supercharge or turbo any of their bike line up, the AT would be waaaay down on that list. It doesn’t make any sense at all to add that cost to the AT for power.The Talon, yes, just to keep in step with other manufacturers of sxs.
 
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Another nonsense thread.
Sorry to see you're so closed to this. It was meant for some fun, fantasy and imagination. Guess those concepts aren't for everyone. BTW, I wrote that post back late 2024 - BEFORE Honda announced their new SUPERCHARGED V3 motor to the public and stated it will serve duty in a number of Honda models. So, it turned out not to be fantasy or complete nonsense after all.
 
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